Limited Expansion

[Imuka]

Great, I can't wait for another unfocused split storyline!

Dont forget rushed.
For me, it felt like "Ala Mhigo and Doma were under Garlean controll for 20 Years...but now the WOL is here, lets get this done in 30 Minutes, because I ordered Pizza.".

I enjoy Eureka but you know, us that do enjoy it don't matter.

Eureka itself is not the Problem. The Problem is how the Devs forced their new Diadem #3 into the Game, by locking the Relic, Hairstyles, Mounts, Songs, Minions, etc. behind it.
And we all know, that with 5.0 nobody will enter old Eureka it at any moment. Because the Devs bury it together with everything else of the old Content.
You can still do the Arr and HW Relic, but if you did not finish this Weapon or did not play the Game at that moment, you are just screwer over by the Devs.
And if somebody would even want to do it...have fun doing the whole grind absolutly alone or maybe with 1-2 other Players.

If it would occupy the same amount of Content like the POTD or HoH nobody would complain about it.

People are mad, because it feels like the Devs just pumped all those things into Eureka, behind RNG Lootboxes. Just to make Players play their new Skinner Box.

[guardin]

So we got the limited job, Blue Mage, which will continue to be limited throughout 5.x.
We got the limited races, Male only Ronso and Female only Viera.
We have limited equipment. Those new races won't even display many helmets within the game.
We have limited fields. No night time. No weather. Or maybe there will be some crazy weather effects; haven't shown it to us though.
It seems the Garlean story line is getting shelved... does that too count as limited?


FFXIV clearly has a limited budget.


I have an idea! Let's make another Eureka for 5.x

everything you said is why this is gonna be the best xpac. eureka saved 4.0 for a lot of people. so bring more new content!

[Imuka]

everything you said is why this is gonna be the best xpac. eureka saved 4.0 for a lot of people. so bring more new content!

It saved it for one group of the Playerbase, by dooming the other Group of the Playerbase.
I would not call this a truly great achivement.

[Remedi]

Because dumping stuff in RNG lootboxes that you don't even know how much to get is 100x better design, have some decency pls, it's not like hoards are a better rewards system then lockboxes or bunny chests.

If you don't like RNG lootboxes you don't like both version, not 1 is ok because you like the content more

But Yoshi can't drop his Idea that everybody loves endless Trash Mob Farm in MMO-RPGs.

Famitsu - 14 Nov, 2016

Yoshida: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

Used also as a signature but some ppl here. Do your homework first, btw frequency doesn't make one better than the other fyi and there wasn't a content that was cut for eureka so I don't even know what you are on about but that said good day

[Imuka]

Because dumping stuff in RNG lootboxes that you don't even know how much to get is 100x better design, have some decency pls, it's not like hoards are a better rewards system then lockboxes or bunny chests.

If you don't like RNG lootboxes you don't like both version, not 1 is ok because you like the content more

The difference is, that Potd and HoH appeared once for in whole Addon, not 4 times in a row in something around 12 Months.
Potd and HoH felt like niche Content because of being a "once per Addon thing".

Was Eureka or HoH fun for me? No.
Would I want to take it completly away from the Players who like it? No.
Would I accept that a Part of the Community did not like Diadem, Diadem 2 or Eureka? Yes.
I would reduce it to two instances per Addon and do a cut.

If there is a larger variety of Niche Content Types that are limited to 1-2 per Addon, we would see much more happy Players.
But Yoshi can't drop his Idea that everybody loves endless Trash Mob Farm in MMO-RPGs.

Yoshida: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

Yes, it is a Theme Park Mmo and every Theme Park...MMO or in real life survives by a wild mix of Rides.
Rollercosters, Water Rides, Horror Hourse, this Tower thingi...whatever it is called, Artist Shows, etc. And this is what I mean by "1-2 times per Addon.".
But Yoshida feels like the owner of a Park who starts to be obsessed with building Horror Houses. Despite his last two just were a flop and his new one is a big controversial Topic, that made many very unhappy by locking all Food Stores behind the exit of it and then repeating this 4 times in a row.

[Chained_Icarus]

It saved it for one group of the Playerbase, by dooming the other Group of the Playerbase.
I would not call this a truly great achivement.

Not gonna lie, Eureka broke me and caused me to take a several month break from the game. By the time I came back it was really too much hassle to catch back up so I guess no SB relic for me.

[Imuka]

Not gonna lie, Eureka broke me and caused me to take a several month break from the game. By the time I came back it was really too much hassle to catch back up so I guess no SB relic for me.

The Problem is, it is a bury Part A as soon as Part B gets released Content, that now reaced Part D. And because of that everybody who does not follow the new thing with full force falls behind and might drop out.

Which is pretty heavy for an MMO that once said it sees itself as an "end of work" MMO for Players who maybe have 5-9 Hours per Week to play the Game and that it is okay if a Player does not have time for the Game for a few Weeks or 1-2 Months.
But now we sit here with a heavy Grind Content, that was streched to make people who play around 10 Hours a day feeling busy for weeks...while at the same time, it made it from my View unberable for any Person who can maybe spend a lot of time with the Game per Week or can't play every day.
Except you start to push every Minute of that time into Eureka.

From my View, this comes all with the wrong Idea that longer Games are better. I played some really great Games, that came with maybe 5 Hours of Content, short but I enjoyed them.
Horror Games like Resident Evil 1 or Silent Hill 2 were just around 6-8 Hours and I love those Games. I was happy with them as a Teenager with very limited Money and I did not feel robbed in any way because they were so short. I replayed them several time and had a lot of fun with them.
Now today, people suddenly started this "Euro/Hour" thing like the value of a Game is determined by its length and not by the Quality.

6-8 Hours of great are much better, than 50-80 Hours of just "meh".

It always reminds me about something some Ultimate Raiders told me.
"That fight could have easily been around 11-12 Minutes and not 17, just for the sake of making it longer.".

[Deceptus]

Because dumping stuff in RNG lootboxes that you don't even know how much to get is 100x better design, have some decency pls, it's not like hoards are a better rewards system then lockboxes or bunny chests.

If you don't like RNG lootboxes you don't like both version, not 1 is ok because you like the content more

Famitsu - 14 Nov, 2016

Yoshida: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

And then he locks the relic inside the Horror House.

It always reminds me about something some Ultimate Raiders told me.
"That fight could have easily been around 11-12 Minutes and not 17, just for the sake of making it longer.".

See: Every EX primal in Stormblood. Extended add phase to to discourage speed running.

[Freyt]

Longer games are better imo. Eureka is busy work. Some people like busy work. I like games.

[Mihana]

What if the Crystal Tower itself is the gateway between these worlds and the 1.0 characters are from this other Eorzea?

That would almost certainly be awesome if it were true. However it's not as Legacy characters have a few NPCs like Minfilia and Cid remembering you with the veil being finally lifted at the end of Operation Archon with Lahabrea's defeat. After that people do remember who you are. In fact in Part 50 of the Live Letter this was supposedly addressed in a Q&A portion. Legacy players weren't sent forward in time, rather those caught up in the spell were kind of "sealed away" and kept safe for as long as the spell deemed it necessary. Five years just turned out to be the duration chosen by the spell. This is also somewhat confirmed as well in the Binding Coil of Bahamut for Legacy characters as dialogue is slightly altered depending on the player's exploits in 1.0. In there it's mentioned the spell sealed the player outside of time while the world recovered. The fog around their identity and exploits are just an after effect of the spell.



As for the little detail about Louisoix you mentioned, if you haven't done the Binding Coil of Bahamut I'd probably suggest you do so actually.