Dancer is a DPS

[Dualgunner]

Dualgunner, I feel the ranged dps negates the fact that MCH and BRD don't compete for spots on teams, since MCH really isn't a support dps. Assuming dancer is a support dps I agree that another one was needed.

Machinist draws from the same role action pool; it's the "BLM of the Ranger DPS" right now, which is a weird spot for it to be in. To be honest, I'd have preferred DNC be healer too so we could have gotten a different ranger-type class later down the line, but I see the logic behind the dev team's decision.

[Lozza]

Machinist draws from the same role action pool; it's the "BLM of the Ranger DPS" right now, which is a weird spot for it to be in. To be honest, I'd have preferred DNC be healer too so we could have gotten a different ranger-type class later down the line, but I see the logic behind the dev team's decision.

I realise they draw from the same pool but they don't compete for the same spots on teams (a la tanks) - hence why I think the distinction is a bit odd. Frankly I feel that MCH belongs more in the ranged dps along with all the magic dps - though it might be more interesting if with SHB they (MCH) get some more support like skills outside of their role skills. Either way I agree another support dps was needed and I don't personally mind that dancer was it (though they could have made an interesting and distinct healer too) - I just don't like that as a healer main I am missing out on new toys yet again.

[Dualgunner]

I realise they draw from the same pool but they don't compete for the same spots on teams (a la tanks) - hence why I think the distinction is a bit odd. Frankly I feel that MCH belongs more in the ranged dps along with all the magic dps - though it might be more interesting if with SHB they (MCH) get some more support like skills outside of their role skills. Either way I agree another support dps was needed and I don't personally mind that dancer was it (though they could have made an interesting and distinct healer too) - I just don't like that as a healer main I am missing out on new toys yet again.

In the same vein that you're saying MCH and BRD don't fight for the same role, the tanks don't compete for the same spot either. Just like how Bard is the lock in spot for second DPS (after DRG), you have the WAR tank and the not-WAR tank that PLD/DRK fight over. Same with healers: you have the SCH healer, and the not-SCH healer that the AST and WHM compete for.

MCH and BRD are meant to compete for the same spot. It's just that MCH is woefully unprepared to compete for that spot.

[Lozza]

In the same vein that you're saying MCH and BRD don't fight for the same role, the tanks don't compete for the same spot either. Just like how Bard is the lock in spot for second DPS (after DRG), you have the WAR tank and the not-WAR tank that PLD/DRK fight over. Same with healers: you have the SCH healer, and the not-SCH healer that the AST and WHM compete for.

MCH and BRD are meant to compete for the same spot. It's just that MCH is woefully unprepared to compete for that spot.

We're pretty much coming at the same point from two different angles. I find the dev quote you posted interesting precisely because it suggests something of a blindness to how the players treat MCH, that is not as a support dps but as a pure dps. If the devs truly mean for it to be competing for a spot they will need to change the job significantly in SHB. Either way though a new support dps was needed. And as I said earlier in this thread it would be nice perhaps if they added another healer to fit maybe a pro-active (shields) & reactive (stronger heals/regen) model.

It will be interesting to see if GNB does shake up the tank model at all.