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    Yes, cancel your pre-order. But instead or resubbing, just leave. A negative community is a big turn off for new players. There is a big difference between being constructive and being hostile. Alternatively, you can accept that not everything is going to be how you personally want it. There are legitimate reasons for male Viera not being playable and that DNC works for ranged/ support along with MCH/BRD. I wanted a new healer too (although not DNC as healer, because I thought it fit DPS better). I don't get everything I want (not even close), but I'm not going to pretend it is a bad business decision or some sort of micro-aggression. The forums have been vastly negative over many different things. Its night and day between the forums and the actual in game community. You aren't seeing the full picture. These fanfests did a great job at luring people in from other games. SE sees the blood in the water, but it isn't theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    Yes, cancel your pre-order. But instead or resubbing, just leave. A negative community is a big turn off for new players.
    I honestly don't get comments like this. I understand people are being hyperbolic and loud right now, and I don't agree with how many are reacting despite me being on the anti-genderlock train but I feel like we're justified in our disappointment. On top of that, being that we pay for this game if we're dissatisfied then we're free to "vote with our wallets" to try to send a message to the dev team. It's good for you that you're indifferent to the decisions of the devs even if it's not what you would've wanted personally, however to say that we're all just being negative is really underplaying people's legitimate concerns. From limited classes to genderlocked races, and the possibility of it being 6 years for a chance at a new healer now that DNC's been revealed as a DPS, I think it's fair to say that they've disappointed a lot of people and the recent pattern honestly makes me wonder what direction the game is taking. I honestly don't mean to sound so dramatic and I realize that I might, but it's just been a lot of decisions lately making myself and countless others feel the same way. I should mention that I find the other reveals to be really nice and interesting and think that they've done a great job. I was so hyped watching the keynote but I hate the way I felt when they introduced Hrothgar and Viera as genderlocked (and brushed off male Viera using lore reasons which...is another issue in itself honestly). I really want to be excited but I can't help but feel like they should have just told us from the start that this would be the case. They purposely dragged it on knowing people would speculate to build hype (and it's no coincidence that preorders were a few days after the EU Fanfest where they revealed Viera and said nothing else regarding genderlocks and the like). I honestly feel like that was a bit dishonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenno View Post
    I honestly don't get comments like this. I understand people are being hyperbolic and loud right now, and I don't agree with how many are reacting despite me being on the anti-genderlock train but I feel like we're justified in our disappointment. On top of that, being that we pay for this game if we're dissatisfied then we're free to "vote with our wallets" to try to send a message to the dev team. It's good for you that you're indifferent to the decisions of the devs even if it's not what you would've wanted personally, however to say that we're all just being negative is really underplaying people's legitimate concerns. From limited classes to genderlocked races, and the possibility of it being 6 years for a chance at a new healer now that DNC's been revealed as a DPS, I think it's fair to say that they've disappointed a lot of people and the recent pattern honestly makes me wonder what direction the game is taking. I honestly don't mean to sound so dramatic and I realize that I might, but it's just been a lot of decisions lately making myself and countless others feel the same way.
    Try quoting all of my post then. I see these forums posts all the time. It is very negative all the time. It doesn't ever stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    Try quoting all of my post then. I see these forums posts all the time. It is very negative all the time. It doesn't ever stop.
    I guess that's a matter of perspective. To me, the side opposing the addition of gender equality is being not just negative, but often overly toxic.

    But that's not really your initial point, is it? Your initial point is that only this forum cares, and the majority outside it doesn't, which I'm fairly certain is not true. I've seen the same mainly negative reaction to the gender lock announcement in Twitch reaction streams, FC discussions, discord, and from friends. The western player base is clearly not amused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Efrye View Post
    I guess that's a matter of perspective. To me, the side opposing the addition of gender equality is being not just negative, but often overly toxic.

    But that's not really your initial point, is it? Your initial point is that only this forum cares, and the majority outside it doesn't, which I'm fairly certain is not true. I've seen the same mainly negative reaction to the gender lock announcement in Twitch reaction streams, FC discussions, discord, and from friends. The western player base is clearly not amused.
    Those are the same people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    Those are the same people.
    Definitely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Efrye View Post
    Definitely not.
    You surround yourself with people that think like you. Of course, they are going to agree. That's certainly not the big picture. This was a huge leap forward, not only for the people that wanted more lore friendly things, but also for players coming in from others games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Efrye View Post
    I guess that's a matter of perspective. To me, the side opposing the addition of gender equality is being not just negative, but often overly toxic.
    One male race + one female race = gender equality. Quit your nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderGodThor View Post
    One male race + one female race = gender equality. Quit your nonsense.
    Labels are all people have, because there is no valid point to be made.
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