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  1. #261
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    Cerenessus's Avatar
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    Cere Nessus
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 70
    The Healing-requirements in FF14 are so low that and experienced SCH can heal almost all dmg with eos and an indo every now and then.
    Savage may be an exception but usually if you see an SCH using his gcd-heal he:
    1. has run out of stacks because someone screwed up.
    2. he just got rezzed and need to heal himself (essential 1.)
    3. he is heavily untergeared
    4. he is inexperienced...

    generall rule is: if there is no raid-buster coming in the next 20sec - let eos do the healing (maybie use rouse)...
    exco will keep the tank alive and lustrat will take care of the dps if they screw up a mechanic (provided they survive)

    most healers try to keep the group at 100% live when they only need to keep them over 0%
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    Last edited by Cerenessus; 03-07-2019 at 06:31 AM.

  2. #262
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    Brightamethyst's Avatar
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    Jenna Starsong
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cerenessus View Post
    most healers try to keep the group at 100% live when they only need to keep them over 0%
    Yeah. People like to freak out about not getting healed instantly, even when it doesn't matter. You're at 70% and have a regen on you. Chill out.
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  3. #263
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    LazyTitan87's Avatar
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    Lazie Titan
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    Cactuar
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Brightamethyst View Post
    Yeah. People like to freak out about not getting healed instantly, even when it doesn't matter. You're at 70% and have a regen on you. Chill out.
    Groups with RDMs: Oh, I'm at half hp with a regen on me. Better Vercure!
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  4. #264
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    Sida Bajihri
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    As a white mage, grouping with a scholar. I havn't hit 4.0 yet, in 3.X right now, but I swear, whenever I'm in a 2 healer group and the other is a scholar, they NEVER CAST a single friggen heal. They just leave the fairy to do it while they pretend to be dps.
    And oddly, in 2 healer groups, I only EVER seem to have to rescue(heavily heal) the other healer when its a scholar as well.
    No Adlo shields? No Exoc on the tank? (It's the green buff icon with black human shape... I think) In case you were unfamiliar with it, it places sort of heal guard, if the targets HP falls under 50% it causes moderate heal. If it's not used up until it expires, it does the heal on expiring. If you full heal a target with it while there's no real immediate reason to you are just undermining one heal your co-healer did. And as said, Lustrates are instant casts and might be cast to targets during your cast time making it look like you healed something you didn't need to. And while fairy autocasts Embrace, their main heal, even under manual control, many scholars cast their other skills, such as Whispering Dawn on their own discretion, again making it look like its just the fairy working while it's actually the player healing. Fairy is giant part of their toolkit. Saying "just leave fairy heal" is understatement. About the only actual cast time heal Scholars have is weaker than Cure 2 so a good co heal, recognising each roles strength and weaknesses, uses it only as last resort but in good co-heal situation uses all their harder to spot tricks, trusting the WHM to do what WHM is better at. Then again, you may have stumbled to the "faster queue summoners" as somone put it.
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    Last edited by Sida; 03-08-2019 at 12:49 AM.
    If you say 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', I say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.

  5. #265
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    EaMett's Avatar
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    Ea Sin
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    It probably doesn't help their image that SCH are preemptive healers so they know damage output timings really well and will only top people off before the next incoming damage as opposed to after the previous one (to leverage the faerie). By then less experienced/trusting healers will have healed everyone up already.
    It's the equivalent to good WHMs getting their HoTs crushed by their impatient healing partners who need everyone topped right away.
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  6. #266
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    NobleWinter's Avatar
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I've found that Emergency Tactics confuses a lot of people who aren't familiar with Scholar too. Shields are unnecessary for a lot of mechanics especially when you waste the initial heal to put them up early or they fall off before they're useful. I've had a few cohealers complain I'm not healing anything when Emergency Tactics and Indom have been used throughout an entire fight just because they don't see the Galvanized Shield. I guess they just think they are using extra strong Medica or Helios since they go off about the same time but Scholar can handle the occasional raid wide very well even when you use Selene frequently like I do.
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  7. #267
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    Lilac Blackthorne
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    I'm on the 2nd Boss in the Orbonne Monastery, Agrias. We made it to the final phase, where the boss starts chain casting AOE damage until she dies. I'm playing a SCH with a WHM co-healer. I never hard cast heals, I always use Emergency Tactics + Swiftcast + Succor when my Indom is on cooldown. The only person to die in the party was the Bard, who said to me, "SCH stop DPSing and heal me for once." My Indom hit everyone in the group except for the Bard. I look to where the Bard died, and he's in the back corner of the room dead.

    Yeah, I probably could've lustrated him and saved him, but I wasn't expecting him to be out of AOE range in the corner of the room so that caught me off guard. Then I got kinda salty, why was he calling only me out and not the WHM too? Then I was thinking, he probably has no understanding of how SCH is played. I just replied to him by saying, "No".
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    Last edited by Ftail; 03-19-2019 at 11:23 PM.

  8. #268
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    Mansion's Avatar
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    Mansion Viscera
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    Louisoix
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ftail View Post
    Snip
    Yeah, I tend to be oblivious of people that are out of my healing reach. Sometimes I rescue them in Earthly Star or Asylum when there is no mechanic preventing anyone to stand still somewhere, but sometimes I don't even bother.
    The worst fight for this the trash between Agrias and Cid. When it spams its raid attack and the RDM / BRD are too far, I won't bother.

    I'm a terrible person.
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  10. #269
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    Sudenmarja's Avatar
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    Sudenmarja Villilehto
    World
    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 70
    This thread caught my eye, as I've lately had strangely often Keeper of the Lake in leveling roulette with strangely vexing tanks and dps. I heal as a main, SCH is my main since I started this game and I play the other two healers as well and I had this scenario awhile back with my WHM while I was leveling up.

    At the beginning, during the first pull, the dps both take crazy amounts of damage and the tank takes quite a bit as well (don't quite remember who was playing what anymore). One of the dps (MCH I think?) actually died twice while I was busy with the tank and the other dps, returned to the start and came running back to the fight only to die for the second time. It was pretty much like that for the rest of the run, maybe a little less dying once I got over my shock.

    I was still learning to play the WHM, but I don't think I was that bad having played both SCH and AST for a long time by now and I had decent gear on, so I thought that the tank maybe had a little trouble keeping hate and the dps did seem somewhat unconcerned about the aoes. Suffice to say when we got to Midgardsormr I was juuust a little apprehensive and decided to stick to just healing mainly. In the end, the tank still died once, the other dps twice and the MCH thrice. We didn't wipe though, so all's well that ends well?

    Don't know, was a little shaken after that one though. Don't remember a run like that since ever.
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  11. #270
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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    [QUOTE=Sudenmarja;4927057I was still learning to play the WHM, but I don't think I was that bad having played both SCH and AST for a long time by now and I had decent gear on, so I thought that the tank maybe had a little trouble keeping hate and the dps did seem somewhat unconcerned about the aoes. Suffice to say when we got to Midgardsormr I was juuust a little apprehensive and decided to stick to just healing mainly. In the end, the tank still died once, the other dps twice and the MCH thrice. We didn't wipe though, so all's well that ends well?

    Don't know, was a little shaken after that one though. Don't remember a run like that since ever.[/QUOTE]

    Keeper can be one of the worst dungeons with less capable players. And... nice work getting through it. Seriously. If the healer isn't on their game for that one, it is wipe after wipe. You not only got through, sounds like you carried pretty hard.
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