Gender locked race?

[Corue]

I also think people overlook some of the benefits to them doing a gender lock from a narrative/world building perspective. We haven't seen the majority of the lands of planet, each area is going to have its collection of races that inhabit it. For example, we are likely heading in Ilsabard in the future. Which is a great landmass likely filled with plenty of new races we haven't heard about or seen. If we are heading there and they want to have a new player race come from these lands, they could have opted to do a temporary gender lock so they could develop assets for this new race which will inhabit these new lands we go to.

This way, we can go into these lands and meet some of the locals, experience their lore and some of their society and get to play as some of them, while later down the road we get the option to play as the other races.

This way, we can get access to these new lands, without it later being an even more jarring experience for a new player race to just pop out of the ground and be from places we have been to but never encountered them. It'd be akin to if we had gone to Othard before Au Ra were added to the game and then suddenly they added Au Ra later and they were supposed to have been from Othard the whole time.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here. I'm completely baffled. You know they can make races and expansions at the same time right? They suddenly can't because of "lore" or whatever. If they don't have the assets to make a race and need to genderlock them, why even make a race at that point if it's just going to be limited and received poorly?

[Alesone]

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here. I'm completely baffled. You know they can make races and expansions at the same time right? They suddenly can't because of "lore" or whatever. If they don't have the assets to make a race and need to genderlock them, why even make a race at that point if it's just going to be limited and received poorly?

I'm saying they may have opted to split the genders so they could introduce a new race earlier to go along with the expansion of territory and regions we would be going to.

For example, if we are going to ilsabard and they want us to have a player race from that area, then we would need to potentially encounter them as we are going through the journey in those lands. The same goes for viera, if we are heading to their territory as well we need to be able to see some of them. So this means they can develope some of the assets now to cover twice the area of potential story locations, while still giving them the option to undo the locks later.

It's pointing out that there's other positive reasons for them to potentially gender lock the races. Anything they do with this game is "recieved poorly" by some demographic of the players and isn't (nor shouldn't) be a major deterrent to doing things.

[Lacan]

Wow some lizard dude is still bent on calling people who want a race he doesn't "furries"? Starting to sound a weeeeeee bit hypocritical, my dude.

No, that's not what I was trying to say. I just don't expect the Hrothgar to be a full on furry race basically. :v I'm expecting something humanlike with animal traits mixed in. Not full blown furry stuff like those pandas from WoW. Nothing against those who want that, but I just think it is unlikely. We'll find out Friday one way or another though!

[Lauront]

Wow some lizard dude is still bent on calling people who want a race he doesn't "furries"? Starting to sound a weeeeeee bit hypocritical, my dude.

I take it you missed this and the ensuing posts.

No, that's not what I was trying to say. I just don't expect the Hrothgar to be a full on furry race basically. :v I'm expecting something humanlike with animal traits mixed in. Not full blown furry stuff like those pandas from WoW. Nothing against those you want that, but I just think it is unlikely. We'll find out Friday one way or another though!

I mean, if they make them like Byakko, minus the Auspice embellishments, they'd still look pretty humanoid.



He has very handsome facial features. That would be visually distinct to Miqo'te and not too bestial.

The other option would be something like Cray from Breath of Fire, but then you do run into the "buffer" miqo'te territory.



Ultimately, I don't want a gender-locked race. If they choose to gender-lock Viera, hopefully it will be on the basis that they will later unlock them.

As things stand, Hrothgar are merely a name found in some localisation code error, and we have precious little to determine how they might look, but if they're a reality, and not just some ruse or error, I also don't expect a full on furry race.

[Corue]

I'm saying they may have opted to split the genders so they could introduce a new race earlier to go along with the expansion of territory and regions we would be going to.

For example, if we are going to ilsabard and they want us to have a player race from that area, then we would need to potentially encounter them as we are going through the journey in those lands. The same goes for viera, if we are heading to their territory as well we need to be able to see some of them. So this means they can develope some of the assets now to cover twice the area of potential story locations, while still giving them the option to undo the locks later.

It's pointing out that there's other positive reasons for them to potentially gender lock the races. Anything they do with this game is "recieved poorly" by some demographic of the players and isn't (nor shouldn't) be a major deterrent to doing things.

I'm not following your logic. So because we're meeting them they have to be genderlocked to save assets so they can undo the genderlock later? Why not just make them unlocked in the first place? Why stretch yourself thin to make two races?

Also nobody makes content with the expectation that everybody will like it, but if the demographic you're disappointing is the people who actually want to use the content and are interested in it (i.e. male Viera/female Hrothgar) then you're probably doing something wrong.

[Crushnight]

I'm saying they may have opted to split the genders so they could introduce a new race earlier to go along with the expansion of territory and regions we would be going to.

For example, if we are going to ilsabard and they want us to have a player race from that area, then we would need to potentially encounter them as we are going through the journey in those lands. The same goes for viera, if we are heading to their territory as well we need to be able to see some of them. So this means they can develope some of the assets now to cover twice the area of potential story locations, while still giving them the option to undo the locks later.

It's pointing out that there's other positive reasons for them to potentially gender lock the races. Anything they do with this game is "recieved poorly" by some demographic of the players and isn't (nor shouldn't) be a major deterrent to doing things.

I have to commend you i think your the 1st person to put positives towards gender locking on races i have seen in this thread and it has been something i wanted to know for awhile as i am biased towards no gender locking on races/jobs and find it hard to see the other side's viewpoint however i don't think the positives you have expressed will be adequate enough reasons against people like me, forced restrictions always have backlash gameplay restrictions are more severe and have lasting impact whereas cosmetic ones are more baffling.

Delaying releases for the other gender of races has its own problems as well as you only get one 1st impression and the more restrictions or lack of information you give with that 1st impression can have a more negative than positive reception within your community the potential for gender locks has been a hot topic and does put a few people on edge about ShB especially after what happened with regards to Blu, SE has handled this poorly no matter the outcome.

Now the reason i don't agree with showing us only half of a race and then going to their home resides with Viera specifically male Viera will be defending their forest(if alive) from outsiders which we will be there is a good chance we would at least feel the presence of a male long before we see a female within the forest within the msq heck we should be attacked by a male before seeing a female, so if male Viera are alive then there would be at least a single male model ready to use which then begs the question why aren't they playable?.

[WhiteArchmage]

Dear gods, I went to sleep and this got almost 20 pages? Sweet Iesu...

So, in general: A furry is not "slap some animal ears and tail in this otherwise completely human character," that's a kemonomimi. A furry is an animal head (usually with human hair, female lion furries tend to have hair, for example), but a humanoid body. Say, a furry giraffe still has a long neck and giraffe head, but human looking body with giraffe tail.

Miqo'te have cat ears and tails but otherwise no fur on their bodies (just strip yours); Viera have bunny ears, but no tails or fur elsewhere (the feet are a nice bestial touch, though); Au Ra have horns that act as ears, tails, and some scales but are otherwise human. Now, Ronsos have lion heads and extra fur in chest, legs, hands, shoulders and back: they're furries.

Now, even IF the male viera get killed off (every. single. one) in the opening of Shadowbringers... it DOESN'T mean we couldn't be one! We can create a character from level one way before that happens, much like how Ishgardians don't even blink if we're an Au Ra, or Yugiri still feels the need to conceal her face while staring directly at us. Even IF they're so rare, even IF males don't leave the forest, we can still be one that DID because the WoL is always an outsider that doesn't really belong to anywhere; unless you yourself give them a backstory, they're not Ishgardian, or Gridanian, or Limsan, or Garlean, or Doman, or anything and the MSQ will never treat you like one. Or like how there can be two WHMs in a party, or 6 in an alliance, yet there's only ONE non-padjali WHM, or one non-tonberry-SCH. Other PCs simply don't exist as anything other than "random adventurers" for the MSQ.

If Yoshi-P said: "No bunny men, because they're weird" then that's a whole other problem which I'm sure has been mentioned several times over this thread, especially the fact that if they think "Oh, bunny boys are just going to be small and delicate" they had all the resources to not make them as such.

Also: that Viera fanart? Yeah, I'd love if my Viera guy looked like THAT <.<

[Lacan]

Dear gods, I went to sleep and this got almost 20 pages? Sweet Iesu...

So, in general: A furry is not "slap some animal ears and tail in this otherwise completely human character," that's a kemonomimi. A furry is an animal head (usually with human hair, female lion furries tend to have hair, for example), but a humanoid body. Say, a furry giraffe still has a long neck and giraffe head, but human looking body with giraffe tail.

Miqo'te have cat ears and tails but otherwise no fur on their bodies (just strip yours); Viera have bunny ears, but no tails or fur elsewhere (the feet are a nice bestial touch, though); Au Ra have horns that act as ears, tails, and some scales but are otherwise human. Now, Ronsos have lion heads and extra fur in chest, legs, hands, shoulders and back: they're furries.

Now, even IF the male viera get killed off (every. single. one) in the opening of Shadowbringers... it DOESN'T mean we couldn't be one! We can create a character from level one way before that happens, much like how Ishgardians don't even blink if we're an Au Ra, or Yugiri still feels the need to conceal her face while staring directly at us. Even IF they're so rare, even IF males don't leave the forest, we can still be one that DID because the WoL is always an outsider that doesn't really belong to anywhere; unless you yourself give them a backstory, they're not Ishgardian, or Gridanian, or Limsan, or Garlean, or Doman, or anything and the MSQ will never treat you like one. Or like how there can be two WHMs in a party, or 6 in an alliance, yet there's only ONE non-padjali WHM, or one non-tonberry-SCH. Other PCs simply don't exist as anything other than "random adventurers" for the MSQ.

If Yoshi-P said: "No bunny men, because they're weird" then that's a whole other problem which I'm sure has been mentioned several times over this thread, especially the fact that if they think "Oh, bunny boys are just going to be small and delicate" they had all the resources to not make them as such.

Also: that Viera fanart? Yeah, I'd love if my Viera guy looked like THAT <.<

You explained it better than I could! Thank you!

[Alesone]

I'm not following your logic. So because we're meeting them they have to be genderlocked to save assets so they can undo the genderlock later? Why not just make them unlocked in the first place? Why stretch yourself thin to make two races?

Thats pretty much exactly it. Why not make them both unlocked from the get go? Because it's a tremendous amount of assets to make two full blown races. By temporarily splitting them by gender you can cover twice the potential story possibilities at half the work (up front). It's about making it so Hrothgar can have a presence in the story or area they come from, while also doing the same for Viera. It also let's them essentially get manufactured "brownie points" if they go back and undo the locks later (even tho they created the issue in the first place). There would still be people who would sing their praises "they unlocked viera! They listened!" Etc.

Now the reason i don't agree with showing us only half of a race and then going to their home resides with Viera specifically male Viera will be defending their forest(if alive) from outsiders which we will be there is a good chance we would at least feel the presence of a male long before we see a female within the forest within the msq heck we should be attacked by a male before seeing a female, so if male Viera are alive then there would be at least a single male model ready to use which then begs the question why aren't they playable?.

I don't know, there's lots of ways they can write around that issue but I don't think you'd find any of them acceptable. We could not encounter any male viera in their woods for a variety of reasons, but there's also ways we can encounter them without us seeing them. The in game lore already states they work from the shadows, so we can certainly be attacked by them without ever seeing them, mysterious arrows barraging onto us as we have to run for cover. A hidden voice warning us to turn back etc.

These types of things would only add to their mysterious nature but would understandably frustrate the people who want male viera. Nevertheless they're entirely plausible scenarios in the event of genderlocks and no male viera assets being created.

[Theodric]

Wow some lizard dude is still bent on calling people who want a race he doesn't "furries"? Starting to sound a weeeeeee bit hypocritical, my dude.

It's to be expected at this point. Quite a few people are getting rather nasty in regards to their arguments.