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    Quote Originally Posted by Alesone View Post
    I also think people overlook some of the benefits to them doing a gender lock from a narrative/world building perspective. We haven't seen the majority of the lands of planet, each area is going to have its collection of races that inhabit it. For example, we are likely heading in Ilsabard in the future. Which is a great landmass likely filled with plenty of new races we haven't heard about or seen. If we are heading there and they want to have a new player race come from these lands, they could have opted to do a temporary gender lock so they could develop assets for this new race which will inhabit these new lands we go to.

    This way, we can go into these lands and meet some of the locals, experience their lore and some of their society and get to play as some of them, while later down the road we get the option to play as the other races.

    This way, we can get access to these new lands, without it later being an even more jarring experience for a new player race to just pop out of the ground and be from places we have been to but never encountered them. It'd be akin to if we had gone to Othard before Au Ra were added to the game and then suddenly they added Au Ra later and they were supposed to have been from Othard the whole time.
    I have no idea what you're even trying to say here. I'm completely baffled. You know they can make races and expansions at the same time right? They suddenly can't because of "lore" or whatever. If they don't have the assets to make a race and need to genderlock them, why even make a race at that point if it's just going to be limited and received poorly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corue View Post
    I have no idea what you're even trying to say here. I'm completely baffled. You know they can make races and expansions at the same time right? They suddenly can't because of "lore" or whatever. If they don't have the assets to make a race and need to genderlock them, why even make a race at that point if it's just going to be limited and received poorly?
    I'm saying they may have opted to split the genders so they could introduce a new race earlier to go along with the expansion of territory and regions we would be going to.

    For example, if we are going to ilsabard and they want us to have a player race from that area, then we would need to potentially encounter them as we are going through the journey in those lands. The same goes for viera, if we are heading to their territory as well we need to be able to see some of them. So this means they can develope some of the assets now to cover twice the area of potential story locations, while still giving them the option to undo the locks later.

    It's pointing out that there's other positive reasons for them to potentially gender lock the races. Anything they do with this game is "recieved poorly" by some demographic of the players and isn't (nor shouldn't) be a major deterrent to doing things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alesone View Post
    I'm saying they may have opted to split the genders so they could introduce a new race earlier to go along with the expansion of territory and regions we would be going to.

    For example, if we are going to ilsabard and they want us to have a player race from that area, then we would need to potentially encounter them as we are going through the journey in those lands. The same goes for viera, if we are heading to their territory as well we need to be able to see some of them. So this means they can develope some of the assets now to cover twice the area of potential story locations, while still giving them the option to undo the locks later.

    It's pointing out that there's other positive reasons for them to potentially gender lock the races. Anything they do with this game is "recieved poorly" by some demographic of the players and isn't (nor shouldn't) be a major deterrent to doing things.
    I'm not following your logic. So because we're meeting them they have to be genderlocked to save assets so they can undo the genderlock later? Why not just make them unlocked in the first place? Why stretch yourself thin to make two races?

    Also nobody makes content with the expectation that everybody will like it, but if the demographic you're disappointing is the people who actually want to use the content and are interested in it (i.e. male Viera/female Hrothgar) then you're probably doing something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alesone View Post
    I'm saying they may have opted to split the genders so they could introduce a new race earlier to go along with the expansion of territory and regions we would be going to.

    For example, if we are going to ilsabard and they want us to have a player race from that area, then we would need to potentially encounter them as we are going through the journey in those lands. The same goes for viera, if we are heading to their territory as well we need to be able to see some of them. So this means they can develope some of the assets now to cover twice the area of potential story locations, while still giving them the option to undo the locks later.

    It's pointing out that there's other positive reasons for them to potentially gender lock the races. Anything they do with this game is "recieved poorly" by some demographic of the players and isn't (nor shouldn't) be a major deterrent to doing things.
    I have to commend you i think your the 1st person to put positives towards gender locking on races i have seen in this thread and it has been something i wanted to know for awhile as i am biased towards no gender locking on races/jobs and find it hard to see the other side's viewpoint however i don't think the positives you have expressed will be adequate enough reasons against people like me, forced restrictions always have backlash gameplay restrictions are more severe and have lasting impact whereas cosmetic ones are more baffling.

    Delaying releases for the other gender of races has its own problems as well as you only get one 1st impression and the more restrictions or lack of information you give with that 1st impression can have a more negative than positive reception within your community the potential for gender locks has been a hot topic and does put a few people on edge about ShB especially after what happened with regards to Blu, SE has handled this poorly no matter the outcome.

    Now the reason i don't agree with showing us only half of a race and then going to their home resides with Viera specifically male Viera will be defending their forest(if alive) from outsiders which we will be there is a good chance we would at least feel the presence of a male long before we see a female within the forest within the msq heck we should be attacked by a male before seeing a female, so if male Viera are alive then there would be at least a single male model ready to use which then begs the question why aren't they playable?.
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