Please make Blue Mage a normal job

[Physic]

I'm sure you did, solid material basis. But how is the job that's so OP the most efficient way to get most of its abilities requires being carted through content by actual jobs? This beyond broken job should have no problem doing these things on its own. It's almost like it's actually bad and you're wrong.

Inb4 "No, only I know how to do it right, you just have to believe me."

BLU's DPS tops out at around what BLM was doing at the same ilevel. That's not broken at all and most of BLU's abilities are situational, beyond situational or just bad.

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

[ReiMakoto]

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

BLM is not the top selfish DPS class at level 50, that would be RDM. White Wind doesn't compare with actual healers because of mana cost and the fact that it would require coordination on any move that deals more than half the BLU's max HP. It can put 6 debuffs on some enemies, on most bosses you'll only be putting up off guard, song of torment, pec light (when its up) and maybe feather rain (eruption works just as well). Also just saying 6 debuffs is meaningless, smn can put up 5 debuffs, its what those debuffs do, bad breath is a dps loss also and you don't need 100% uptime on the damage down against actual bosses. BLU does not have more survivability than a tank, even in mighty guard they take more damage and have less health, and diamondback completely gimps your dps. The 30% magic vuln up is truly the most broken part of its kit when it comes to raid bosses.

[TaiyoShikasu]

in the case of blu, it would be into the ground, because what makes op is its tactical, role breaking, and rule breaking stuff. Like white wind, ridiculously potent aoe heals, no cooldown pull sticky toungue, no cooldown sleep, half hp skill, instadeath skill, huge defense buffs anytime, 30% boss hp sacrifice combo. easy access petrify, high dmg paralyze.

just being a normal dps, means it cant have most of its good skills, or needs huge cooldowns. it basically would need to be a totally different class gutted of most of its functionality

Saying an ability that requires winning the RNG lottery to even work is a good way to show you don't know what broken means. Those RNG-based abilities don't even work on things that they would be worth using them on. And sometimes they just don't work on things that they actually should like the boss for the Lazy For You FATE or B ranks.

CC abilities don't even work on bosses beyond a certain point or just straight up don't work period. There's a reason no one cares that BLM has sleep and why no job ability wishlist thread includes CC abilities. Or why the ranged physical DPS abilities are seen mostly as being terrible.

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

White Winds effectiveness is reduced by raid wide damage and invalidated by anything that reduces HP to critical levels. Something no healer has to worry about it.

BLU in no way has the survivability of a tank. With a full i130 left side, it doesn't even have 5100 HP, something no other caster has to worry about it and certainly no tank. Tanks also have the luxury of not gimping their damage output to use defensive abilities. Most bosses resist status ailments, so there goes that.

You're stanning for BLU only by looking at it from what content is "available" to it which is content people who actually wanted to take the job into current content (not you) don't care about. If BLU came about five years ago there would be merit to what you're saying, but as it is now, Peculiar Light is basically the only thing that an argument could be made for.

[Physic]

Saying an ability that requires winning the RNG lottery to even work is a good way to show you don't know what broken means. Those RNG-based abilities don't even work on things that they would be worth using them on. And sometimes they just don't work on things that they actually should like the boss for the Lazy For You FATE or B ranks.

CC abilities don't even work on bosses beyond a certain point or just straight up don't work period. There's a reason no one cares that BLM has sleep and why no job ability wishlist thread includes CC abilities. Or why the ranged physical DPS abilities are seen mostly as being terrible.



White Winds effectiveness is reduced by raid wide damage and invalidated by anything that reduces HP to critical levels. Something no healer has to worry about it.

BLU in no way has the survivability of a tank. With a full i130 left side, it doesn't even have 5100 HP, something no other caster has to worry about it and certainly no tank. Tanks also have the luxury of not gimping their damage output to use defensive abilities. Most bosses resist status ailments, so there goes that.

You're stanning for BLU only by looking at it from what content is "available" to it which is content people who actually wanted to take the job into current content (not you) don't care about. If BLU came about five years ago there would be merit to what you're saying, but as it is now, Peculiar Light is basically the only thing that an argument could be made for.

blu mage is about tactics and knowing your skills and enemies. for example, aoe in a raid supposed to do large damage to all, blu does diamondback, cancels it, then does white wind, full heal the whole raid.

7 blues in a raid? probably only have to get boss to 30% health to kill it with self desctruct damage combo. And status effects do matter, like 10% dmg reduction, slow, paralyze, blind, silence, 3 stuns, etc. I have literally took blu places other jobs couldnt hack it, and this is just a level 50 blu, with level 50 skills and multipliers.

its very strong and versatile for that level range. and it definitely would negate roles in parties, 4 blue dont need a tank, or a healer to do content, they can probably outspeed run a regular team. that alone means they dont fit in regular parties, and if they did make them a regular dps, hey have to take away all that stuff, as well as make them generic instead of tactical.

theres ton of other dps for that normal dps playstyle.

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[TaiyoShikasu]

blu mage is about tactics and knowing your skills and enemies. for example, aoe in a raid supposed to do large damage to all, blu does diamondback, cancels it, then does white wind, full heal the whole raid.

7 blues in a raid? probably only have to get boss to 30% health to kill it with self desctruct damage combo. And status effects do matter, like 10% dmg reduction, slow, paralyze, blind, silence, 3 stuns, etc. I have literally took blu places other jobs couldnt hack it, and this is just a level 50 blu, with level 50 skills and multipliers.

its very strong and versatile for that level range. and it definitely would negate roles in parties, 4 blue dont need a tank, or a healer to do content, they can probably outspeed run a regular team. that alone means they dont fit in regular parties, and if they did make them a regular dps, hey have to take away all that stuff, as well as make them generic instead of tactical.

theres ton of other dps for that normal dps playstyle.

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"I've done things with BLU like totally ignore everyone else refuting my bogus claims." ~You.

If BLU was this world ending job as you say it is, Reddit would have several threads of all BLU Coil clears, but instead there are none.

Stan for BLU all you want, senpai still won't notice you.

[Gwenorai]

"I've done things with BLU like totally ignore everyone else refuting my bogus claims." ~You.

If BLU was this world ending job as you say it is, Reddit would have several threads of all BLU Coil clears, but instead there are none.

Stan for BLU all you want, senpai still won't notice you.

What coils are you referring to? I'm assuming you're talking about level 50 coils and not UcoB? Since those moves don't actually work if you're below the level of the enemy, you have to be above their level or equal to. Which explains some of it I suppose. Not sure why they don't just have a lot of bosses have one hit K-O immunity.

Some enemies are immune to these moves; a lot aren't. Example; I can solo 'go-go-chimeria' the huge boss fate in Thanalan with Doom.
Anyway; enemy immunity. Hit n miss.


¬_¬ You must be talking about level 50 coils I can't imagine anyone making that comparison for Ucob - derp herp.

[TaiyoShikasu]

What coils are you referring to? I'm assuming you're talking about level 50 coils and not UcoB? Since those moves don't actually work if you're below the level of the enemy, you have to be above their level or equal to. Some enemies are immune to these moves; a lot aren't. Example; I can solo 'go-go-chimeria' the huge boss fate in Thanalan with Doom.
Anyway; enemy immunity. Hit n miss.

Good, for you. I won the RNG lottery and did the same.

Still garbage because what do you know, something that's unreliable isn't good.

[Physic]

"I've done things with BLU like totally ignore everyone else refuting my bogus claims." ~You.

If BLU was this world ending job as you say it is, Reddit would have several threads of all BLU Coil clears, but instead there are none.

Stan for BLU all you want, senpai still won't notice you.

because, why would there be blu clears, when you can do level 70 clears more easily? i never said blu is stronger than level 70 classes, i said it breaks game rules compared to other 50s, like needing healers, needing tanks, trivializing bosses, etc.

why you mad bro?

[TaiyoShikasu]

because, why would there be blu clears, when you can do level 70 clears more easily? i never said blu is stronger than level 70 classes, i said it breaks game rules compared to other 50s, like needing healers, needing tanks, trivializing bosses, etc.

why you mad bro?

BLU is garbage as both a tank and a healer. It's barely passable as a DPS.

What bosses it does trivialize if you win the RNG lottery are dungeon bosses which who cares?

[Awful]

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

I don't get where you're getting all this at all because it's not even close to any class, it's DPS was akin to a BLM at that ilvl which at that time we didn't have the power creep like we have today where they changed everything (casters having Raging Strikes was a big change). As for White Wind it's a blessing and a curse, yeah it heals more than most healing abilities but at a cost, it has no HoTs, it has nothing smooth out damage unless you cross role Addle and Apoc but it doesn't have Benediction, it doesn't have shields, no snap healing/threat, it doesn't give buffs, it has no LB for DPS or healing, not to mention White Wind is hard on the aggro if you spam it specially in tank stance.

And since we bring up it's "OP tank stance" it's really not that OP you're wearing cloth with the dmg reduction so its not really that great nor do you have tank CDs behind Diamondback which can be cancelled in any Trial by the bosses auto attacking you out of it, oops. It has no CDs outside of that besides it's Rams Breath that can freeze things and without Bad Breath and the dmg reduction BLU would be even more worthless as a tank than it already is it's really not that strong at anything really, tanking, healing, DPS I'd rather just roll with a BLM/WHM that can just AoE everything down faster than a BLU could ever offer + a caster LB ontop of that.

You should really take a more careful look at what BLU really is instead of spouting that BLU is truly OP when it really isn't it's a gimmick that back in 50 when the game was much different than it is today FFXIV has changed a lot and real classes just outperform BLU because that's what BLU isn't, a real class.