Please make Blue Mage a normal job

[TaiyoShikasu]

I'm sure you did, solid material basis. But how is the job that's so OP the most efficient way to get most of its abilities requires being carted through content by actual jobs? This beyond broken job should have no problem doing these things on its own. It's almost like it's actually bad and you're wrong.

Inb4 "No, only I know how to do it right, you just have to believe me."

BLU's DPS tops out at around what BLM was doing at the same ilevel. That's not broken at all and most of BLU's abilities are situational, beyond situational or just bad.

[Nihility]

I'm sure you did, solid material basis. But how is the job that's so OP the most efficient way to get most of its abilities requires being carted through content by actual jobs? This beyond broken job should have no problem doing these things on its own. It's almost like it's actually bad and you're wrong.

Inb4 "No, only I know how to do it right, you just have to believe me."

BLU's DPS tops out at around what BLM was doing at the same ilevel. That's not broken at all and most of BLU's abilities are situational, beyond situational or just bad.

the only reason being carried through content is faster is because it's by jobs with gear that's 270 levels higher.
Try going with a level 50 person in 130 gear and see how well they carry a blue mage through content

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I'm sure you did, solid material basis. But how is the job that's so OP the most efficient way to get most of its abilities requires being carted through content by actual jobs? This beyond broken job should have no problem doing these things on its own. It's almost like it's actually bad and you're wrong.

Inb4 "No, only I know how to do it right, you just have to believe me."

BLU's DPS tops out at around what BLM was doing at the same ilevel. That's not broken at all and most of BLU's abilities are situational, beyond situational or just bad.

BLM NOW, after 2 expansions worth of Job changes and buffs. BLU compared to 50 content when it was relevant is incredibly OP.

[Kleeya]

BLU's DPS tops out at around what BLM was doing at the same ilevel. That's not broken at all and most of BLU's abilities are situational, beyond situational or just bad.

Actually what makes BLU overpowered for me is not the dps, but all the crowd control and debuff spells, which would make the dungeons even more a faceroll than they are now. If you time it right you can make mobs totally defenseless during 30 seconds (mostly by frosting them), and if they are not died by then, make them hit like a wet noddle during 15-30 seconds more. How is that not overpowered ?

Of course by saying that i am not talking of bosses who are usually immune to such spells, but do you really want all the trashmob packs becoming a dps feast even more than they are now, with no use for aggro skills, defensive cooldowns and healing spells at all ? I dont play tank or healer, but maybe people doing so would want to keep a bit of what a mmo trinity is.

[Physic]

I'm sure you did, solid material basis. But how is the job that's so OP the most efficient way to get most of its abilities requires being carted through content by actual jobs? This beyond broken job should have no problem doing these things on its own. It's almost like it's actually bad and you're wrong.

Inb4 "No, only I know how to do it right, you just have to believe me."

BLU's DPS tops out at around what BLM was doing at the same ilevel. That's not broken at all and most of BLU's abilities are situational, beyond situational or just bad.

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

[ReiMakoto]

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

BLM is not the top selfish DPS class at level 50, that would be RDM. White Wind doesn't compare with actual healers because of mana cost and the fact that it would require coordination on any move that deals more than half the BLU's max HP. It can put 6 debuffs on some enemies, on most bosses you'll only be putting up off guard, song of torment, pec light (when its up) and maybe feather rain (eruption works just as well). Also just saying 6 debuffs is meaningless, smn can put up 5 debuffs, its what those debuffs do, bad breath is a dps loss also and you don't need 100% uptime on the damage down against actual bosses. BLU does not have more survivability than a tank, even in mighty guard they take more damage and have less health, and diamondback completely gimps your dps. The 30% magic vuln up is truly the most broken part of its kit when it comes to raid bosses.

[TaiyoShikasu]

in the case of blu, it would be into the ground, because what makes op is its tactical, role breaking, and rule breaking stuff. Like white wind, ridiculously potent aoe heals, no cooldown pull sticky toungue, no cooldown sleep, half hp skill, instadeath skill, huge defense buffs anytime, 30% boss hp sacrifice combo. easy access petrify, high dmg paralyze.

just being a normal dps, means it cant have most of its good skills, or needs huge cooldowns. it basically would need to be a totally different class gutted of most of its functionality

Saying an ability that requires winning the RNG lottery to even work is a good way to show you don't know what broken means. Those RNG-based abilities don't even work on things that they would be worth using them on. And sometimes they just don't work on things that they actually should like the boss for the Lazy For You FATE or B ranks.

CC abilities don't even work on bosses beyond a certain point or just straight up don't work period. There's a reason no one cares that BLM has sleep and why no job ability wishlist thread includes CC abilities. Or why the ranged physical DPS abilities are seen mostly as being terrible.

so you are saying blu mage = the top selfish dps class, but with a heal whm cant compete with (aoe full heals) more control per minute than a paladin, an ability to put like 6 debuffs on an enemy in seconds, more survivability than a tank. 30% dmg vulnerability, That is extremely OP.

White Winds effectiveness is reduced by raid wide damage and invalidated by anything that reduces HP to critical levels. Something no healer has to worry about it.

BLU in no way has the survivability of a tank. With a full i130 left side, it doesn't even have 5100 HP, something no other caster has to worry about it and certainly no tank. Tanks also have the luxury of not gimping their damage output to use defensive abilities. Most bosses resist status ailments, so there goes that.

You're stanning for BLU only by looking at it from what content is "available" to it which is content people who actually wanted to take the job into current content (not you) don't care about. If BLU came about five years ago there would be merit to what you're saying, but as it is now, Peculiar Light is basically the only thing that an argument could be made for.

[Physic]

Saying an ability that requires winning the RNG lottery to even work is a good way to show you don't know what broken means. Those RNG-based abilities don't even work on things that they would be worth using them on. And sometimes they just don't work on things that they actually should like the boss for the Lazy For You FATE or B ranks.

CC abilities don't even work on bosses beyond a certain point or just straight up don't work period. There's a reason no one cares that BLM has sleep and why no job ability wishlist thread includes CC abilities. Or why the ranged physical DPS abilities are seen mostly as being terrible.



White Winds effectiveness is reduced by raid wide damage and invalidated by anything that reduces HP to critical levels. Something no healer has to worry about it.

BLU in no way has the survivability of a tank. With a full i130 left side, it doesn't even have 5100 HP, something no other caster has to worry about it and certainly no tank. Tanks also have the luxury of not gimping their damage output to use defensive abilities. Most bosses resist status ailments, so there goes that.

You're stanning for BLU only by looking at it from what content is "available" to it which is content people who actually wanted to take the job into current content (not you) don't care about. If BLU came about five years ago there would be merit to what you're saying, but as it is now, Peculiar Light is basically the only thing that an argument could be made for.

blu mage is about tactics and knowing your skills and enemies. for example, aoe in a raid supposed to do large damage to all, blu does diamondback, cancels it, then does white wind, full heal the whole raid.

7 blues in a raid? probably only have to get boss to 30% health to kill it with self desctruct damage combo. And status effects do matter, like 10% dmg reduction, slow, paralyze, blind, silence, 3 stuns, etc. I have literally took blu places other jobs couldnt hack it, and this is just a level 50 blu, with level 50 skills and multipliers.

its very strong and versatile for that level range. and it definitely would negate roles in parties, 4 blue dont need a tank, or a healer to do content, they can probably outspeed run a regular team. that alone means they dont fit in regular parties, and if they did make them a regular dps, hey have to take away all that stuff, as well as make them generic instead of tactical.

theres ton of other dps for that normal dps playstyle.

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[TaiyoShikasu]

blu mage is about tactics and knowing your skills and enemies. for example, aoe in a raid supposed to do large damage to all, blu does diamondback, cancels it, then does white wind, full heal the whole raid.

7 blues in a raid? probably only have to get boss to 30% health to kill it with self desctruct damage combo. And status effects do matter, like 10% dmg reduction, slow, paralyze, blind, silence, 3 stuns, etc. I have literally took blu places other jobs couldnt hack it, and this is just a level 50 blu, with level 50 skills and multipliers.

its very strong and versatile for that level range. and it definitely would negate roles in parties, 4 blue dont need a tank, or a healer to do content, they can probably outspeed run a regular team. that alone means they dont fit in regular parties, and if they did make them a regular dps, hey have to take away all that stuff, as well as make them generic instead of tactical.

theres ton of other dps for that normal dps playstyle.

i

"I've done things with BLU like totally ignore everyone else refuting my bogus claims." ~You.

If BLU was this world ending job as you say it is, Reddit would have several threads of all BLU Coil clears, but instead there are none.

Stan for BLU all you want, senpai still won't notice you.

[Gwenorai]

"I've done things with BLU like totally ignore everyone else refuting my bogus claims." ~You.

If BLU was this world ending job as you say it is, Reddit would have several threads of all BLU Coil clears, but instead there are none.

Stan for BLU all you want, senpai still won't notice you.

What coils are you referring to? I'm assuming you're talking about level 50 coils and not UcoB? Since those moves don't actually work if you're below the level of the enemy, you have to be above their level or equal to. Which explains some of it I suppose. Not sure why they don't just have a lot of bosses have one hit K-O immunity.

Some enemies are immune to these moves; a lot aren't. Example; I can solo 'go-go-chimeria' the huge boss fate in Thanalan with Doom.
Anyway; enemy immunity. Hit n miss.


¬_¬ You must be talking about level 50 coils I can't imagine anyone making that comparison for Ucob - derp herp.