Gender locked race?

[Lacan]

The only misplaced expectations are from those who picture Viera men as being completely different to how they're described. Furthermore, although this thread is very active it isn't at all a reflection of the overall community. From what I've seen elsewhere, most people don't feel strongly about the subject. Viera were always presented as a female only race and whilst it would be nice to see the men in FFXIV, there's no guarantee that it'll happen.

Furthermore, if Hrothgar are added then they'll serve as a counterpart to Viera. They may not be to everybody's tastes, though they'll have their fans. They may even end up being better than Viera men - which isn't a hard feat given how some players are picturing them...

Ultimately, so long as they're not child-like I'll be content.

I disagree with the notion that this isn't something the community cares about. People cared enough about genderlocks to get male miqote and female roegadyn added to the game with ARR. I see the same thing happening again if SE decides to launch ShB with two genderlocked races of all things. I get that you aren't very invested but plenty of other people are. You gotta keep in mind that a lot of people in the community aren't even aware of the leaks and that whether we'll get male Viera or not is up in the air. Once we know for sure we aren't getting them, you can expect to hear a lot more voices upset about it.

[Theodric]

I disagree with the notion that this isn't something the community cares about. People cared enough about genderlocks to get male miqote and female roegadyn added to the game with ARR. I see the same thing happening again if SE decides to launch ShB with two genderlocked races of all things. I get that you aren't very invested but plenty of other people are. You gotta keep in mind that a lot of people in the community aren't even aware of the leaks and that whether we'll get male Viera or not is up in the air. Once we know for sure we aren't getting them, you can expect to hear a lot more voices upset about it.

A fair few people said the exact same thing about Eureka, BLU and the server split. It didn't take long for those controversies to die down. Not getting Viera men may be a deal breaker for some, though I'm not convinced that it's going to blow up as badly as some here are suggesting.

[Lacan]

A fair few people said the exact same thing about Eureka, BLU and the server split. It didn't take long for those controversies to die down. Not getting Viera men may be a deal breaker for some, though I'm not convinced that it's going to blow up as badly as some here are suggesting.

Eureka, blue mage, and the server split aren't as big a deal as this. You obviously want to downplay it and I won't try to convince you otherwise, I'll just say wait for Japan fanfest.

No matter how good the Hrothgar is people will still demand the male Viera, and it won't stop until SE caves in. Especially if there is male Viera NPC in game. And I honestly can't think of any reason we won't be meeting one if we will go to the woods in 5.0 without it being sound forced or ridiculous, like there's fire that's somehow eradicated the entire male even though they survived a Garlean attack before, which surely involved some fire.

You get it at least. XD Trying to explain why this is a big deal to people who just don't care to begin with is a wasted effort. If they can't see the kind of shit storm this will result in by now they'll just have to see it for themselves I guess.

[Theodric]

Eureka, blue mage, and the server split aren't as big a deal as this.

I strongly disagree with that assessment. This thread, for instance, has over two hundred pages and yet most of it is just back and forth debate between the same handful of posters. This forum isn't a great representation of the overall community since only a small portion of players actually post here in the first place. Many more players post on the FFXIV Reddit page, yet there's no active threads there regarding the issue. All the discussion there surrounding Viera men died down pretty quickly. It's not the make or break scenario for as many players as is being implied here.

As I've said earlier, I think gender locked races/jobs are a silly design approach. Yet I also think people are setting themselves up for disappointment given how Viera men are described within the game itself. If they aren't added, Hrothgar will mitigate the backlash significantly. With any luck, they'll be designed nicely - and may even be much more interesting than Viera men altogether.

[Lacan]

I strongly disagree with that assessment. This thread, for instance, has over two hundred pages and yet most of it is just back and forth debate between the same handful of posters. This forum isn't a great representation of the overall community since only a small portion of players actually post here in the first place. Many more players post on the FFXIV Reddit page, yet there's no active threads there regarding the issue. All the discussion there surrounding Viera men died down pretty quickly. It's not the make or break scenario for as many players as is being implied here.

As I've said earlier, I think gender locked races/jobs are a silly design approach. Yet I also think people are setting themselves up for disappointment given how Viera men are described within the game itself. If they aren't added, Hrothgar will mitigate the backlash significantly. With any luck, they'll be designed nicely - and may even be much more interesting than Viera men altogether.

And I have to disagree again. There are some things the playerbase cares about more than others. For an example of this, look to the BA feedback thread. Something that appeared minor to a lot of people got personally addressed by Yoshi and that was complaints about the additional story cutscenes of Eureka being locked behind BA. Yoshi even apologized for it in his post there and made a point to state he wouldn't to it again. Consider the fact that managed to get a response from Yoshi and consider how many more people are going to be upset by genderlocked viera.

How many people were invested enough in eureka's story to care about that cutscene? Enough to reach the dev leader apparently. Now imagine it over something even bigger than that, a brand new race. I don't know what else I can say to convince you this is a bigger deal than you think so you'll just have to wait and see.

[cicatriz313]

And I have to disagree again. There are some things the playerbase cares about more than others. For an example of this, look to the BA feedback thread. Something that appeared minor to a lot of people got personally addressed by Yoshi and that was complaints about the additional story cutscenes of Eureka being locked behind BA. Yoshi even apologized for it in his post there and made a point to state he wouldn't to it again. Consider the fact that managed to get a response from Yoshi and consider how many more people are going to be upset by genderlocked viera.

How many people were invested enough in eureka's story to care about that cutscene? Enough to reach the dev leader apparently. Now imagine it over something even bigger than that, a brand new race. I don't know what else I can say to convince you this is a bigger deal than you think so you'll just have to wait and see.

I mean, I think Eureka was actually somewhat popular. I expected hardly anyone to get an ozma mount but so many people on my server have it now. In the same vein, considering there's been no response to this thread despite multitudes more pages on it, goes to show that page count means squat.

[BillyKaplan]

In the same vein, considering there's been no response to this thread despite multitudes more pages on it, goes to show that page count means squat.

That's a completely false trail of logic. Yoshi himself said there's still the Tokyo FanFest - there is absolutely zero reason to reply to this thread given that an answer - for better or worse - will likely come at the end of the month.