Gender locked race?

[cicatriz313]

I think people are just saying that using the lore as justification for excluding the race isn't a good excuse. You're supposed to be the only white mage of your generation when you can't walk down the street in Kugane without bumping into 6 others. Male miqote are supposed to be several times rarer than the females because of a lower birth rate, and yet you'll find numerous shirtless ones afk in every zone in the game.


So them trying to tell us, "oh, we didn't want to make male Viera playable because it conflicts with the lore" is a lie. :v They must have their reasons, no doubt, but no one is going to buy that one if they try to spin it that way. I won't at least.

Lol yeah, so let's just drop this lore stuff since people who agree with it agree with it and people who don't, don't. No reason to have the same opposing posts ad nauseam throughout the thread. Even if they don't specifically state reasons for whatever they do, they did it because they wanted to do it. Simple.

[Seraphor]

Lol yeah, so let's just drop this lore stuff since people who agree with it agree with it and people who don't, don't. No reason to have the same opposing posts ad nauseam throughout the thread. Even if they don't specifically state reasons for whatever they do, they did it because they wanted to do it. Simple.

The main issue is that when asked about male Viera, Yoshi P said to look at the lore that was in the game.
SE might ignore the lore in some cases, but in others they don't, it's pretty hit and miss, but here we have an indication that the lore is being followed.

[Fland]

The main issue is that when asked about male Viera, Yoshi P said to look at the lore that was in the game.
SE might ignore the lore in some cases, but in others they don't, it's pretty hit and miss, but here we have an indication that the lore is being followed.

Doesn't mean gender-locking tho. He could simply meant that we can check the lore to see if male viera exists, which the lore did say.
From what I remember, the interviewer asked about how male viera's gonna appear, and he said to check the lore.

[Bright-Flower]

I think people are just saying that using the lore as justification for excluding the race isn't a good excuse. You're supposed to be the only white mage of your generation when you can't walk down the street in Kugane without bumping into 6 others. Male miqote are supposed to be several times rarer than the females because of a lower birth rate, and yet you'll find numerous shirtless ones afk in every zone in the game.


So them trying to tell us, "oh, we didn't want to make male Viera playable because it conflicts with the lore" is a lie. :v They must have their reasons, no doubt, but no one is going to buy that one if they try to spin it that way. I won't at least.

This. As I've said before, they might try to use lore as an EXCUSE for why they don't make male Viera.

But the actual REASON for it will be something else. Whether that ends up being 'we haven't seen them before and want to keep that mystery' or 'Yoshi P thinks male bunnies look weird and said no' or 'we want to make two different races to appeal to differing demographics and can't do that without gender locking' the actual reason will not be the lore. The write the lore, they could have written the lore differently if they wanted male Viera in. And the lore we HAVE doesn't even explain it when we have male Keepers and all these white mages running around.

[cicatriz313]

Hey look, the exact same two posts came up again.

[Lacan]

Hey look, the exact same two posts came up again.

Just 10 more days to go. XD

[Lauront]

The main issue is that when asked about male Viera, Yoshi P said to look at the lore that was in the game.
SE might ignore the lore in some cases, but in others they don't, it's pretty hit and miss, but here we have an indication that the lore is being followed.

I doubt they actively ignore it in any case. It's simply that in most scenarios where a job or, say, a gender/race combination is rare, other players are not taken canonically as existing for the purposes of this. Just a few of those adventurers you meet will actually exist but because it's an MMO they can't be more specific than that.

Although oddly enough, Sidurgu himself is able to stay in the city, and even have a confrontation with a Halonic priestess without being slain on sight.

Unless it's explained at some point in the 60-70 quests, it seems at odds with the rest of his story. Not saying there's something suspicious about it, just maybe an oversight by the writers.


Generally though, I would have to imagine an Auri Warrior of Light having a harder time fitting into Ishgard than the others. (But then nobody in Gridania showed their usual prejudice regarding Duskwights towards my alt character, either.)

The joys of generic script writing....

Indeed. It is a shame.

[jameseoakes]

The main issue is that when asked about male Viera, Yoshi P said to look at the lore that was in the game.
SE might ignore the lore in some cases, but in others they don't, it's pretty hit and miss, but here we have an indication that the lore is being followed.

But why write the lore in that way to begin with?

[Lacan]

But why write the lore in that way to begin with?

Well, for Miqote and Viera, those are just carry overs from 11 and 12 respectively. That's how the races worked in those games.

[wereotter]

The same dialogue from the Dramaturge nips that in the bud a bit though. It heavily implies that no male ventures outside of the woods. He says he's never seen, nor known anyone who has, seen a male Viera in the largest city hub nearest to their territory. We know females who venture out wind up there enough to make up a percentage of the population, but he states none of them are males.

Anything is possible but they're definitely laying groundwork to explain why we probably won't see any male Viera. No NPC's or anything. There's little reason for them to paint the absence of male viera in such adamant language that states they are never seen outside of the woods, and even if you go looking for them in the woods you won't find them either. They're that rare/elusive.

That same NPC, however, explained how things are changing within the Viera culture, laying the groundwork as to why we will start seeing them now when we never have before. Consider that if you take the lore 100% at face value, we should have already been seeing them in the world, yet Fran is the first one we're run into. If things are changing for the females, if they're starting to abandon their villages, then the males will follow. There will be less of a reason to protect the jungle if the people they were there to protect are gone.

Some will stay to protect the actual jungle viewing that as their cause, others will leave to be with the females who left and/or to protect them specifically. It's not entirely unlike the colonization of the Americas. Initially it was just the men venturing out into the unknown, but the women soon followed after. If the roles were reversed and the women started to settle in a new area, the men would follow suit as well. Societies need both to survive, and it's not strange to think that if the female viera are starting to branch off of their path that they won't also peel off some males with them.

Until the developers say that it's confirmed not happening, it's too soon for any of us to be so certain it's not as well. I can see why they wouldn't, but I also think it's better that they do introduce it, and obviously am in the camp of those who think it will happen.

Edit: also as a bit of a teaser, Yoshi was asked directly at one of the EU interviews "how are you going to introduce male Viera into FFXIV?" and he didn't state then that they weren't, but that the question would be answered in Japan. Granted that answer might be "we're not" but it seems more of a hint as to they are to me.