Quote Originally Posted by MariaArvana View Post
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Let's not kid ourselves, the reality is that the vast majority of these snipers are only interested in BA if there's a chance they can clear it, hence why BA is dead outside of premades (heck, I wouldn't have touched BA with a hundred foot pole if it wasn't for the amazing system the discord has set up). Half of these snipers wouldn't even be setting foot into BA period if the content was pure impossible to premade; I can guarantee the vast majority of them aren't sniping to "simply participate". Think of it another way, why do you think people lie about their experience in primal/savage runs in PF? People naturally enjoy better odds of succeeding at things. A fully cleared party except you increases the odds you can be dragged to a clear drastically; just as a BA premade massively increases your odds of clearing infinitely times more than any truly non-discord PUG BA ever could.

your point is what exactly?


when people see that there are enough people who want to try to play basketball they will try to play basketball, and when no one is around trying to play basketball they wont play.


I am not claiming it is coincidence, yes, these people really want a run to be going on so they can attempt to get in that run and do the content. That is self evident. The same exact thing is true of the majority of the people in the discord queued up for a run. The vast majority of the people in eureka are not leaders who feel comfortable gathering people to their will, they are people who just want a chance to do the content.


Since Discord requires most people to spend their time outside the instance queing or server hopping the majority of the population that wants to do BA is not in a channel to participate.


Also, your claims about people would only go for clears, is kinda bull, since people snipe and try to get in on fragment runs as well, and most snipers wouldnt know which is which. Regardless attempting to get in on a successfull run is the same thing everyone is trying to do, so i dont really see why you think you are any different than a "sniper" in that respect. Discord BA specifically try to stack parties with people with a high chance of victory, and filter low chance of victory players down to fragment/progression runs.


look its the human hustle, everyone is going to try to play to their strengths to get the best outcomes, on their terms, thats fine. People who have a tendency towards organization and gathering premades want to circumvent the game mechanics that stop them from using their best strengths, people who are bold, and dont give a F, want to make it about "first pulling" a portal. People who want to follow, just want any means by which they can make an attempt.


Thats fine, the thing that irks me is this fake riteous outrage that one is somehow better than the other, that discord is the "right" way, and portal hunting is a foul tactic, when in all honesty, portal hunters are closer to the actual intent of the content.


All the discord beef could be resolved with the ingame tool of aether stabilizers. but who wants to farm 100 of each crystal when they can shame people into submission?