Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[AnnaMolly]

In the Primal Discord, all you have to do is read the discord's rules, basically Don't snipe from others, don't be toxic, use in-game name on the Discord server (for identity purposes). use an "agree" command and the bot flags you as a member which opens up the full server for you. Ours doesn't have a queue bot or a bot with Lodestone linkage, our bot is just to manage user-set roles that allow you to set what your class role/s, progress levels, and class roles you want to be notified as are.

EDIT: Again, daily posting limit. Mixt, I'd suggest trying to contact an admin to see if there's a work-around, or to at least see if you can find out why they want a link and what exactly it's for.

[Alucard135]

to be fair, disupting your play in this context is playing as the game intended.

this is almost exactly like asking someone to please requeue duty finder because you would like to get your friend in the instance. Its the discord group whose playstyle is outside of game design.

Are you saying SE intended that players take a portal for the purpose of disrupting the game play of other players? Because you can't pretend that never happens. And it's true you can't prove intentions here. But that does happen and in same cases it's reportable (like taking a portal and leaveing). Even though they took the portal as SE intended, they still got reported after leaving.

The main issue that people are having are with those that do it with the intention of disrupting others' game play. There are players that actively leave and requeue into an instance till they find names the recognize and know they're in the discord. If you wanna turn a blind eye and say that doesn't happen, that's up to you. But you can't say that everyone that's taking a portal is playing as SE intended. It's like saying you're OK with people joining a raid clear group (since they don't have [Duty Complete] tag) even if you're completely new to the raid, just because SE allows it.

P.S. you can edit your post to surpass character limit. That will help you in putting all your responses into one post instead of many posts so that you don't exceed your daily post limit.

[Tsumdere]

no one is stealing a spot, they are meant to be open
you were not supposed to be waiting an hour to attempt this content, this is the direct result of NA approaching this content incorrectly
noone does runs because ll the people who want to do BA essentially have no choice but discord, those people waiting an hour for a queue, and server hopping for hours? would have participated in 2 BAs in that time in Japan.

The large majority of issues with BA in NA is because NA culture chose a really bad meta for handling this content and at this point its ptobably too late to recover. No one believes you can actually get a BA to fire without pre groups any more, which becomes a self fullfilling prophecy

No, you wouldn't. It's a hoot to get into a BA in parts of Japan with people fighting over portals and purposefully failing the support fate if there is English speakers inside. I hate this idea that JP is perfect. They are notorious for kicking and making fun of people who don't speak Japanese. Also, if you mess up they will harass you for months about it. They have a list of players they circulate on 2ch to avoid and make fun of via social media like Twitter.

In the end, would you rather wait a couple of hours for a near guaranteed spot or spend the same number of hours in a lottery system where you spam click the portal as fast as you can against 3-4 other people (per portal!) and then find out you can't run anyways because there is not enough tanks? Or, spend the same amount of hours and farm up a stabilizer to skip the queue? It's really the same effect, just different ways of approaching it. Whatever way you are going, it takes a couple of hours to enter BA.

And yet it is required, MANDATORY, in order to gain access to the part of the Discord that deals with matching parties together to organize runs.

Meaning i STILL can't do BA...

I think i'm going to cry

Layers upon layers of stone walls

They have a strange system I've never heard of. In the Aether discord, all you have to do is join and write ~lfg role.

Although, if you are having problems just contact an admin. Most bot things take about 2 minutes by someone who knows whats up. If you keep just throwing in the towel at any perceived inconvenience, you'll just doom yourself to fail premade or not.

[HyoMinPark]

The bot could be used as a measure of verification. I'm not sure about EU, but if they've been having trouble with known griefers attempting to sneak into the Discord for the purpose of stalking runs and attempting to sabotage them, this could be an additional measure to prevent said activity. But, again, I can't speak for the EU Discords.

[Mixt]

Well, it sure makes for an effective way of stonewalling me, whatever the intent was.

Which puts me back at square one, since joining the Discord didn't actually change anything whatsoever.

Join the Discord they say, it's easy to use they say, nothing can possibly go wrong they say.
And then the convoluted verification process that i can't deal with happened.

In hindsight, this was kind of predictable, it follows the established pattern of what happens whenever i try to use an out of game resource that requires getting an account.

And people wonder why i'm such a pessimist

[Lacan]

Well, it sure makes for an effective way of stonewalling me, whatever the intent was.

Which puts me back at square one, since joining the Discord didn't actually change anything whatsoever.

Join the Discord they say, it's easy to use they say, nothing can possibly go wrong they say.
And then the convoluted verification process that i can't deal with happened.

In hindsight, this was kind of predictable, it follows the established pattern of what happens whenever i try to use an out of game resource that requires getting an account.

And people wonder why i'm such a pessimist

Just believe in yourself. You're the Warrior of Light. I'm sure you can conquer this if you put your mind to it!

[HyoMinPark]

Well, it sure makes for an effective way of stonewalling me, whatever the intent was.

Which puts me back at square one, since joining the Discord didn't actually change anything whatsoever.

Join the Discord they say, it's easy to use they say, nothing can possibly go wrong they say.
And then the convoluted verification process that i can't deal with happened.

In hindsight, this was kind of predictable, it follows the established pattern of what happens whenever i try to use an out of game resource that requires getting an account.

And people wonder why i'm such a pessimist

Did you actually attempt to contact an admin before posting this? I’ll grow my recommendation in with AnnaMolly’s and say, do that. Otherwise, you’re just complaining excessively about a problem you haven’t attempted to really seek help to solve.

[xxSouxx]

In Japan you have 3-4 people camping the same portal and JP players sabotaging AU raids.

I was following the thread b/c I was very interested in how different DCs tackle BA and was going to stay out of this, but since the topic was brought up...

Which JP DC are you talking about?

Currently in MANA DC, in prime time, half of the portal gets taken by people using the stabilizer.
The other half may be camped by 1, or at most 2 people, who are in the "will go in if available, but not that desperate" mindset.
BA or Assist FATE hardly ever gets sabotaged. In fact, people in the BA gets thanked for triggering the FATE (30 crystals!), and people in the BA thank those who participated in the FATE.
The only times Assist FATE fails nowadays are when the system closes the instance to new player entry and there are just too few people with the right logos.

Discord groups have never laid full claim to portals in JP DCs as it would have been quickly bashed from the pug population (which there is a healthy number of).
The only issue JP DCs had was fairness in the claim to the portal (so no one would leave the FATE in the middle to go claim a portal), which resulted in the last hot fix.
I'm sure fully organized discord groups would be more efficient, but the BA dungeon is not that difficult.
It was, I do believe, meant for a ichi-go ichi-e (once in a life time meeting) party to tackle with all the inconvenience it entails and people were to use the logos to overcome that.
There's always few people who watch the short movie outside Ozma for the first time but still the dungeon is won once in a while.
Even if the battle is lost, it's usually a fun experience and people just go off to the bunnies or the sprites without much complaint.

I always wonder why the NA/EU discord group tries to go in with 56 full members to an instance. Can't you go in with less and let pugs have a seat too?

[Xellos2099]

I was following the thread b/c I was very interested in how different DCs tackle BA and was going to stay out of this, but since the topic was brought up...

Which JP DC are you talking about?

Currently in MANA DC, in prime time, half of the portal gets taken by people using the stabilizer.
The other half may be camped by 1, or at most 2 people, who are in the "will go in if available, but not that desperate" mindset.
BA or Assist FATE hardly ever gets sabotaged. In fact, people in the BA gets thanked for triggering the FATE (30 crystals!), and people in the BA thank those who participated in the FATE.
The only times Assist FATE fails nowadays are when the system closes the instance to new player entry and there are just too few people with the right logos.

Discord groups have never laid full claim to portals in JP DCs as it would have been quickly bashed from the pug population (which there is a healthy number of).
The only issue JP DCs had was fairness in the claim to the portal (so no one would leave the FATE in the middle to go claim a portal), which resulted in the last hot fix.
I'm sure fully organized discord groups would be more efficient, but the BA dungeon is not that difficult.
It was, I do believe, meant for a ichi-go ichi-e (once in a life time meeting) party to tackle with all the inconvenience it entails and people were to use the logos to overcome that.
There's always few people who watch the short movie outside Ozma for the first time but still the dungeon is won once in a while.
Even if the battle is lost, it's usually a fun experience and people just go off to the bunnies or the sprites without much complaint.

I always wonder why the NA/EU discord group tries to go in with 56 full members to an instance. Can't you go in with less and let pugs have a seat too?

Pug with no knowledge can easily wipe AV and Ozma or trash. Using your logic, why can't pug join the discord because of w/e reason. Cultural differences, the west use good setup and logogram to enhance ourself even further. The east use logogram to overcome weakness.

[HyoMinPark]

I always wonder why the NA/EU discord group tries to go in with 56 full members to an instance. Can't you go in with less and let pugs have a seat too?

I think NA/EU prefer to have as many people in the discord as possible to minimize risks, since this content is not "casual" like most other content in this game. All it takes is one mistake to wipe a group at Ozma, and perhaps the Discords feel having everything in a voice chat for easier communications can mitigate that.

Personally, I prefer them for their ease of organization and communication. I would not trust a bunch of random players that I cannot adequately communicate in BA with me - despite this game having in-game text, it's impractical to use when you are attempting to do on-the-fly mechanic callouts, especially for those of us who play on console with controllers or on PC with controllers (you have to either type one-handed or put the controller down to communicate - compare to Discord where you can just talk into your mic). I also do not have a lot of faith in the skill of the playerbase as a whole, nor do I have faith in randoms wanting to fully cooperate with one another (not for something large like this).


Our communities are not like JP communities. Nor is our culture. I can appreciate that JP communities have the ability to cooperate and PUG this content, but that is something that has not been successful here. It's nice that they trust random players, but even within the Discords there have been instances of players joining Ozma prog/clear groups and never having cleared AV.

I honestly wish people would stop comparing NA/EU to JP, and ask "Why can't NA do things this way? JP does it!" We aren't the same. And it is what it is.