Quote Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura View Post
No one is asking anyone to suffer. Its just that it can take an hour or more to get a group of 48 players into the same instance of Hydatos

The only time this changes is when premade groups enter into instances to run the content. People then seek ways to steal spots and pretend they did it on accident, or they just gloat about it. So who's being rude here and trying to benefit more? If you want to organize a BA run with people in your instance, that's totally a viable option to you, but no one actually takes the initiative and does it. The Discord groups aren't forcing people to not participate, they're just trying to get into instances where there aren't already people running and organize a group/community effort. They use Discord because it is easier to handle callouts on voice chat since they can be made instantly instead of there being a delay having to type/macro those calls. (Not to mention BA shares Shout Chat with its Hydatos instance, so its not like you could set callouts to Shout.)

I've ran with the Aether BA Discord all of once for fragment runs up to AV. They were very welcoming, very helpful, and very excited to see people get clears and loot. And I'm a mostly casual player. So I'm not going in with some hardcore player mentality like a ton of people seem to believe everyone running BA has.

There are always going to be bad apples, but I think the vehement refusal to just try to cooperate in a piece of content that outright states cooperation is needed is so silly. And its causing people to defend players who are being spiteful and rude for the sake of their own selfishness. Hell our group was missing an entire party of people and we said in shout "Hey, we have a full party of 8 open to anyone who wants to join that isn't already in our premade." We *still* had people snipe other people's portals despite there being an offer made on the table to allow anyone in the instance to join the premade that was going in.

So no, these people aren't just disagreeing - they're actively seeking to disrupt something that they don't like. That's harassment.
no one is stealing a spot, they are meant to be open
you were not supposed to be waiting an hour to attempt this content, this is the direct result of NA approaching this content incorrectly
noone does runs because ll the people who want to do BA essentially have no choice but discord, those people waiting an hour for a queue, and server hopping for hours? would have participated in 2 BAs in that time in Japan.

The large majority of issues with BA in NA is because NA culture chose a really bad meta for handling this content and at this point its ptobably too late to recover. No one believes you can actually get a BA to fire without pre groups any more, which becomes a self fullfilling prophecy