Gender locked race?

[Kupocoubo]

Having not really been deep into Viera lore myself I went to check out old stuff and I thought it might be worth knowing, at least for those who were in a position more like my own, that Veena and Rava are not new concepts.. such that unless SE goes out of their way to make them more different than they have been in the past we can look at old FF games and already tell that veena and rava are pretty much skin color shifts.



Sounds pretty much like what we have in FFXIV, but the above was written in 2006. (source: Final Fantasy XII Scenario Ultimania)

I still personally prefer when the clans are very different though (hyur like), because .. more options, but the above might give a heavier lean to same shapes different colors.

Then the two sub races would be present in the trailer (there are dark Vieras and pale Vieras in it), which is possible but would be disapointing IMO
I wonder if three sub races for Vieras could be possible

[Kupocoubo]

The young elezen comment was so vague and nonsensical that it could be used to explain all kinds of things.

Yes, like a shorter sub-race, so we cannot just ruled out that option.

[Nestama]

I would like foel as sub race, but its too different from the normal viera, almost like a new race.

In what way? Feol Viera are likely the exact same size as pureblood Viera, with the only different thing about them being: shorter ears and a more human face. Considering what FFXIV's Viera look like... it's probably entirely possible to make a Feol Viera (since XIV's Viera are pretty much Elezen with rabbit ears that you can probably choose the size of and may also have human face options).

[Kupocoubo]

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In what way? Feol Viera are likely the exact same size as pureblood Viera, with the only different thing about them being: shorter ears and a more human face. Considering what FFXIV's Viera look like... it's probably entirely possible to make a Feol Viera (since XIV's Viera are pretty much Elezen with rabbit ears that you can probably choose the size of and may also have human face options).

Yes they are basically the same, I don't understand how can some people think they look different to the point of looking like different races oO.



Shorter skeleton, shorter ears, different colors, that's all.

[Shougun]

He never needed to make a male. In FF12 they had Fran in the party who was the sister of the Matriarch. They don't attack other Viera leaving or coming, they just ignore them and refuse them access to the village unless there are special reasons to give them access. Example; Fran was barred access from going into the Eruyt Village.
As for tactics; same reasoning. Never needed a male and from a developer standpoint - why add a male who didn't need to be added and waste resources?

The only issue with this game is that the story does sort of call for one - and if not then it calls for one heck of a good explanation and amazing story to explain why they're not where they're supposed to be without making it look half-arsed.
In the end, I will never understand why devs create a race where male and females exist but don't care about one side of the population. Like, if you didn't care for them or want them then why add them in the first place! This is the world of fantasy! Just have them reproduce asexually!

I mean they did have a village in FF Tactics, and you have Eruyt in FFXII, both of which you can go inside.. and even though they're a village they're full of females (I said men before I edited, my bad lol). Meanwhile in the forests there are none. I believe in the tactics manual you get with the game it says they're female only lol, although we should get a giant truck of salt for early day Japanese to English stuff.. since we've gone a long way in terms of quality and quality control for consistency. Like how the Galka were for a while, to the English community, known as genderless (but are actually male).

I think a sexless race could be interesting, perhaps working with visuals of Genome FFIX Kuja/Zidane or some sort of Esper like race (Terra Branford's magical side). If a race has a gender though I do think it's weird to lock out one gender, it's something I can live with but I can get people being frustrated over it (which is why I've never used it to tell people to calm down when they're worried if it would be lol, I could be okay with it but I can understand others not being okay with it).

Then the two sub races would be present in the trailer (there are dark Vieras and pale Vieras in it), which is possible but would be disapointing IMO

That would sound accurate and I'd also be in agreement it'd be a bit sad to have it just be colors lol. Even if its not how I want (the sub race) I like the clans to be different because it's cool. Also consider if the bar for height has enough leeway you might be able to make it happen without it being a sub race option~

Happy 100th page people .

[linay]

Another just as valid reason is a surprise reveal of a different male race, and that doesn't come wth trying to explain why yoshida wouldn't just say male viera are coming later or will be shown at the JP fanfest. Instead he's avoided the issue entirely, only saying to wait until the JP fanfest, and directing people to review the in game lore that doesn't paint male viera in an encouraging manner to be playable.

A different race is not equally valid because they keep repeating that Viera will likely be the last playable race. Obviously they're leaving the possibility open for another race in the future, but they won't mention that it is likely the last race if they know there will definitely be another race in the same expansion.

And he mentions the hints which point out that male Viera exist, with a similar situation like some miqo'te male, which is playable.

So no, while there is always a possibility of another race being revealed, it is not as likely as having male Viera being revealed in Japan because of historical reason of introducing male Viera for the first time, especially if Viera will be the final playable race.

[Gwenorai]

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Happy 100th page people .

Woot!

As for the villages; that's explained as well. The males don't live in the village - they live alone or in small packs, and that's only when one of the older males takes all of the young teen jacks under his wing. So, there will always be one male who has a few younger males with him - teaching them the ways of the Wood Warden. Think Master Jedi with their Padawan/s

It could be argued that you did indeed see males; any young kits in those villages could have been a boy - you just couldn't tell! xD And for obvious reasons your character was never there for er... 'breeding season'.

Would have made so much more sense if they just had them be asexual, reproduce by some funky wood magic or something that can also reproduce sexually with other races so the halflings exist. But nope, had to have the males exist. Had to make them important to the woods protection.

Honestly, I wouldn't kick so much of a fuss if I wasn't getting increasingly worried about how they would tell the story of the Greatwood if they weren't there. The WoD just one step behind.

'Haha, oh you just missed our Wood Wardens, they were here a moment ago!'
'But I was literally standing here for the past week, watching from that bush. When the heck did they show up?'
'Oh...erm, they're very secretive and able to hide themselves?'
'Like Ninjas?'
'Yes, like Ninjas!'
'But I can, see Ninjas!'

Male Vieras have unbreakable 'Hide' ability.
--

'Warrior of Darkness, all of our Males were taken by the great fire! They're all dead!'
'All of them, even the children?'
'All of them, it was horrible!'
'What about the ones not in the wo-'
'ALL OF THEM!'

--

'Oh no, all of our Males have been taken by the Empire!'
'Don't fear, the warrior of darkness is here! I'm an expert of saving people from the Empires shackles - Minfilla used to get captured all the time! But I digress, where are they? I will free them!'
'Oh, it's okay. We don't need them.'
'But we're vastly outnumbered and they have the better tech, we need all the help we can get, especially of the fabled Wood Wardens who are so good at keeping people out that no one has seen them!'
'We. Don't. Need. Them.'

--

'T'is a disaster all of our males were taken by a primal and seduced by its wicked whims but that's not the least of it!'
'Oh, what happened?'
'Warrior of Darkness, oh, I can't bare to speak of it!'
'Please, I must know!'
'T-they...'
'Yes?'
'They turned into random bara lions!'
'NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!'

Enjoy the cringe.

[Shippuu]

A different race is not equally valid because they keep repeating that Viera will likely be the last playable race. Obviously they're leaving the possibility open for another race in the future, but they won't mention that it is likely the last race if they know there will definitely be another race in the same expansion.

And he mentions the hints which point out that male Viera exist, with a similar situation like some miqo'te male, which is playable.

So no, while there is always a possibility of another race being revealed, it is not as likely as having male Viera being revealed in Japan because of historical reason of introducing male Viera for the first time, especially if Viera will be the final playable race.

They emphasize "likely" and "probably" when talking about the new race, certainly setting up misdirection for a better more surprising reveal of a new race that hasn't been teased or hinted at happening (if they do it). They most absolutely would and could go on about how Viera may be the last race so that the surprise reveal is all the more impactful. You can't honestly say that after the theatrics they did with Blue Mage's announcement "We never said we wouldn't do another patch job" etc.

He mentions the hints that point to male viera with statements like "Don't go looking for them, you'll just be met with disappointment." and that to us "they simply do not exist." Far harsher language than anything Miqo'te has. Not to mention, just because they have similar background lore doesn't mean their situations are comparable. A similar birthrate does not translate into the same overall population. Viera are secluded to a very small part of the world, live extra long lives, and the men and women are rarely in contact. It's absolutely safe to assume they don't have a very large population at all. So 2 out of 8 being born male is a lot different between a population of 3,000,000 and 5,000 (for example.)

There's still little reason for them to split up the announcement by genders, regardless of how people seem to thing male viera would be some sort of monumental historical moment for the franchise. They would have more likely waited to show the full viera release until JP fanfest if that were the case. Instead, they've released a ton of promo material showing the race simply as viera and only being females. What are they going to do when they show the male, release another video with the same title FINAL FANTASY XIV: SHADOWBRINGERS - New Race “The Viera”. Or maybe it'll be The Viera 2: Electric Boogaloo.

He never needed to make a male. In FF12 they had Fran in the party who was the sister of the Matriarch. They don't attack other Viera leaving or coming, they just ignore them and refuse them access to the village unless there are special reasons to give them access. Example; Fran was barred access from going into the Eruyt Village.
As for tactics; same reasoning. Never needed a male and from a developer standpoint - why add a male who didn't need to be added and waste resources?

The only issue with this game is that the story does sort of call for one - and if not then it calls for one heck of a good explanation and amazing story to explain why they're not where they're supposed to be without making it look half-arsed.
In the end, I will never understand why devs create a race where male and females exist but don't care about one side of the population. Like, if you didn't care for them or want them then why add them in the first place! This is the world of fantasy! Just have them reproduce asexually!

I do hope you see the irony in that all this can apply to FFXIV as well, right? They don't need to implement them. They can easily write out why we'd never see them even if we go into their woods.

[Gwenorai]

I do hope you see the irony in that all this can apply to FFXIV as well, right? They don't need to implement them. They can easily write out why we'd never see them even if we go into their woods.

As I specifically said 'The only issue with this game is that the story does sort of call for one - and if not then it calls for one heck of a good explanation and amazing story to explain why they're not where they're supposed to be without making it look half-arsed.'

From my experience, if it's easy to write something out just so you don't have to bother having them - it's half-arsed. If they can do an amazing job and come out with an amazing story, a thrilling reason for why there are ZERO Male Viera NPCs during wartime, in their wood. When the males exist to protect the wood and their people. When we, an outsider are going to go into that wood, to help protect the wood and those people; in all most likely circumstances. If they can DO that. I will clap my hands, I will bow down. I will be the biggest whale in existence, I will be the slave to the mog station. I will buy all of the fantasias and become the bara cat.

And if they don't, that's their loss for crap storytelling. I really don't know how many times and in different ways I can say it.

[linay]

They emphasize "likely" and "probably" when talking about the new race, certainly setting up misdirection for a better more surprising reveal of a new race that hasn't been teased or hinted at happening (if they do it). They most absolutely would and could go on about how Viera may be the last race so that the surprise reveal is all the more impactful. You can't honestly say that after the theatrics they did with Blue Mage's announcement "We never said we wouldn't do another patch job" etc.

Yes, I can, because they didn't introduce BLU in the same timeframe as ROG/NIN. Like I said, yes, there is a possibility of a misdirection, but the more likely possibility is them being upfront about Viera being the last race, at least in the foreseeable future.

He mentions the hints that point to male viera with statements like "Don't go looking for them, you'll just be met with disappointment." and that to us "they simply do not exist." Far harsher language than anything Miqo'te has. Not to mention, just because they have similar background lore doesn't mean their situations are comparable. A similar birthrate does not translate into the same overall population. Viera are secluded to a very small part of the world, live extra long lives, and the men and women are rarely in contact. It's absolutely safe to assume they don't have a very large population at all. So 2 out of 8 being born male is a lot different between a population of 3,000,000 and 5,000 (for example.)

And speaking of misdirection, this would be a better example because they specifically talked about male Viera and then seemed to want to get your hope down about seeing them, when in fact it is similar to male miqo'te, which is playable.

There's still little reason for them to split up the announcement by genders, regardless of how people seem to thing male viera would be some sort of monumental historical moment for the franchise. They would have more likely waited to show the full viera release until JP fanfest if that were the case. Instead, they've released a ton of promo material showing the race simply as viera and only being females. What are they going to do when they show the male, release another video with the same title FINAL FANTASY XIV: SHADOWBRINGERS - New Race “The Viera”. Or maybe it'll be The Viera 2: Electric Boogaloo.

You're right, they could introduce Viera in its entirety at the same fan fest, probably at Japan, but they don't have to. With Fran being shown prior to Paris and female Viera already seen in the franchise, they could separate the two reveals. And there's nothing wrong with having two videos, or just stick with one since the purpose is to just introduce that Viera is coming.