Gender locked race?

[InkstainedGwyn]

Were they comfortable designing the awful looking Paissa and Carbuncle Houses?

I KNOW, RIGHT.

[Rokke]

The following quote from a different thread about male Viera (for those that haven't seen it) sums it up nicely:

moose speak

it is reassuring to have Moose in your corner ;w;

[stormygabe]

tbh this is the main reason I think we're getting Viera men. As a gamer himself, I cannot believe that Yoshi would not forsee the potential shitstorm of pairing an incredibly popular request with something absolutely no one asked for without any hype buildup for said thing no one asked for.

So I LOVE how pro-viera/optimistic you seem to be. If we DON'T get male buns, I hope there's enough of a backlash to make them add them anyway. If we do, I hope they look nice. (aka Not the big bara buff burly insert-B-word-here that some want) At the same time, I can't help but remain apprehensive. There are so many great points both for them being added and omitted. I'm hoping your optimism somehow manifests into really cool looking rabbit wood elves.

[Shippuu]

Agreed, especially considering the fact that Xaela in general are supposed to be raised as these ruthless warriors, yet we're able to start the game -- as a fledgling adventurer -- as one. I think the general lore behind a race (either gender) is the least of it, tbh. It does cause some awkward interactions (i.e. Yugiri telling an Au Ra player about how her appearance is going to alarm people) but obviously that hasn't stopped them before.

I always see the Yugiri thing brought up as if it's some kind of big lore inconsistency if you're playing an Au Ra. But it's really not, the player character au ra starts their adventure as a nobody, coming in and doing grunt adventurer work, where people are less likely to question the individual if they just complete the task at hand.

When Yugiri comes over, she's leading a huge group of refugees that have been declined everywhere else and are dangerously low on supplies. Given we know some au ra have had bad encounters with eorzeans (what happened to Sidurgu's clan for example) she has plenty of reason to potentially keep her appearance hidden when she's trying to request significant aid. It also doesnt help she landed within Ul'dah's juristiction which has stricter rules regarding beastmen. Even if she sees another Au ra walking around, it's far too much of a risk given she is probably aware of how past au ra were treated at the hands of ishgardians and couldn't take the gamble that she would be refused on appearance alone when her people were in such a dire situation.

Now, that doesn't mean there aren't other inconsistencies, but I always felt the Yugiri one is a weak example. She had plenty of motivations to keep her identity hidden, even if she sees an Au Ra warrior of light who has earned a reputation through many feats.

tbh this is the main reason I think we're getting Viera men. As a gamer himself, I cannot believe that Yoshi would not forsee the potential shitstorm of pairing an incredibly popular request with something absolutely no one asked for without any hype buildup for said thing no one asked for.

I'm sure he has weighed the blowback it could cause and if he's prepared to take it he will. He's shown he's not afraid to do something that would for sure ruffle a lot of feathers when he released Blue Mage as a limited job which was a bigger risk than a potential unique to ffxiv male only race.

As for no hype or build up? When he stated he doesn't always want to give out hints and wants to keep some things a surprise just last week during interviews? He specifically said he didn't want to go into each fanfest with people knowing everything that's coming. Announcing a separate unique race without having a breadcrumb trail of hints would be exactly such a thing.

[Rokke]

So no bullshit, I LOVE how pro-viera/optimistic you seem to be. If we DON'T get male buns, I hope there's enough of a backlash to make them add them anyway. If we do, I hope they look nice. (aka Not the big bara buff burly insert-B-word-here that some want) At the same time, I can't help but remain apprehensive. There are so many great points both for them being added and omitted. I'm hoping your optimism somehow manifests into really cool looking rabbit wood elves.

To me its less about being optimistic and more the glaring lack of an alternative: Theres nothing pointing to a catlike race pre JP fanfest. Its not even just a lack of a t-shirt, theres absolutely zero hints in game and zero hints in the lorebook. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

I'm sure he has weighed the blowback it could cause and if he's prepared to take it he will. He's shown he's not afraid to do something that would for sure ruffle a lot of feathers when he released Blue Mage as a limited job which was a bigger risk than a potential unique to ffxiv male only race.

BLU being limited was cushioned by BLU being released pre-expac vs being a selling feature of the expac. It was also revealed to be limited then and there, instead of waiting till patchnotes to deal with the fallout.

As for no hype or build up? When he stated he doesn't always want to give out hints and wants to keep some things a surprise just last week during interviews? He specifically said he didn't want to go into each fanfest with people knowing everything that's coming. Announcing a separate unique race without having a breadcrumb trail of hints would be exactly such a thing.

He also specifically said his tshirt choices are complete happenstance and never had anything to do with announcements in that same exact press session lol

The manbunny outfit came to be becuase a niche group of people locked their legs and would. not. stop. bugging. A playable race reaches far more than ppl wanting a gold saucer set. To say PAX Q&A's would have a new staple demand would be an understatement.

[Zeonx]

Thing is you all don't ask, you demand they give it.
Also make threats I don't know how many times during the marriage dispute how many threaten to cancel subscription because they didn't have gay marriage.

They gave it then you all weren't happy, you wanted more and more and more and if you didn't get it you demand more and more.

I want something but I am happy with whatever they give me, I don't demand it and if I were SE I would stop handing this out because you don't appreciate what they've done you just ignore it and go to what you want next.

and if you don't think so, I see comments in here " I thought they learned their lesson" so we are teaching them a lesson if that ain't a sign of an attack I don't know what is.

[stormygabe]

Thing is you all don't ask, you demand they give it.
Also make threats I don't know how many times during the marriage dispute how many threaten to cancel subscription because they didn't have gay marriage.

They gave it then you all weren't happy, you wanted more and more and more and if you didn't get it you demand more and more.

I want something but I am happy with whatever they give me, I don't demand it and if I were SE I would stop handing this out because you don't appreciate what they've done you just ignore it and go to what you want next.

and if you don't think so, I see comments in here " I thought they learned their lesson" so we are teaching them a lesson if that ain't a sign of an attack I don't know what is.

I mean...if being a bunch of hyper-aggressive jerks gets me my man bun, I say keep up the threats!

Yes, yes I'm aware I'm being VERY selfish.

[redcurrant18]

I mean...if being a bunch of hyper-aggressive assholes gets me my man bun, I say keep up the threats!

Yes, yes I'm aware I'm being VERY selfish.

Me too. Why should I be complacent and give a company money if they don't give me what I want to buy? They have these forums so people can make their opinions known. Sometimes people come off as aggressive, and then when they don't get what they feel they are paying for they will get really upset. Just look at how WoW players reacted when they released some pig mount for the Chinese New Year but chose to lock it behind a paywall instead of including it in the yearly seasonal event. They were more than justified in their reaction-imagine if this Halloween they released a new costume but put it on Mog Station instead of allowing us to unlock it for free like always. All that aside, it's 2019, so let's leave gender locked races and marriage restrictions in 2002 along with the other broken concepts from FFXI that don't work in a modern MMORPG like FFXIV.

[Corue]

Thing is you all don't ask, you demand they give it.

God forbid that people want to be satisfied with a product they pay money for.

[Iscah]

Even if she sees another Au ra walking around, it's far too much of a risk given she is probably aware of how past au ra were treated at the hands of ishgardians and couldn't take the gamble that she would be refused on appearance alone when her people were in such a dire situation.

While I agree with a lot of what you wrote (though Yugiri's "excuse" about her mask still bugs me, especially since she makes no effort to hide her tail) I would be surprised if a Raen living in Doma is aware of what happened to one Xaela tribe of many, who left the Steppe and came to a grim fate two continents away. Even for other Xaela, they probably just never knew what happened to them, unless Sid sent them word of it.

(Then again, Adkiragh got found by his tribesmen because somehow word got all the way back to Reunion that there was someone by that name working in Idyllshire. I don't think the writers pay much attention to distances on the map. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story...?)