Gender locked race?

[Shippuu]

My citation is that in no way, shape, or form, will it ever be believable for there not to be a single male Viera somewhere in the zone when typically this is how big they are making them.




And best believe they'll only get bigger. No male Viera in FF12? Half the jungle is blocked off by magic barriers so of course no one ever saw them. Fran obviously never had any reason to seek them out, so the only place it made sense to go was the female's village.

So, no actual citation that they live in different woods/jungles. Got it.

[Tabbs]

So, no actual citation that they live in different woods/jungles. Got it.

I can't confirm his claim that they live in different woods, but I can say that the wiki states that the men just live separately from the women, in 12. It's vague enough to assume you have no reason to run into them in 12 when you're in a village for the females rather than males. But in 14, the lore explicitly states they're from the same tribes but are starkly defenders. If this is the case, why wouldn't a male Viera show up to stop us from entering? Why set this specific lore up unless it was for one of them to show up? Otherwise, they could have just repeated the lore with different wording and said the males heck off into other parts of the jungle to do their own stuff. Sure, it's no confirmation, but I would argue this is one of the hints Yoshida was mentioning.

[Melichoir]

Does it really matter if it doesnt follwo Tactics or 12 Lore?

Why cant there just be Male and female Viera in the game. 14 has some elements of other final fantasy lore but tis not 100% copy pasted lore. Theres no real justification at this point to have Viera be female only and males be off somewhere else, and since Yoshi P doesnt like gender locked races (from what I understood, he put male Miqote into the game for ARR), then theres very little likely hood that itll be a gender locked race. Not to be negative about the thread, but why is this even a speculation at this point when we still have 1 fanfest to go and plenty of plausible reasons within the context of ffxiv why we havent seen a male Viera yet outside of silly assumptions like "Oh its gonna be just female cause other FF games"

[redcurrant18]

Found a picture of where Ronso are supposed to live. Mt. Gagazet is a frozen mountain. Wouldn't it have made more sense to introduce a fur-covered race in Heavensward where we had zones like these? I can't imagine anything resembling Ronso surviving in the desert castle area with the crystal wave we've seen in art, nor in the faerie land.

Something also tells me that Viera would take one look at them and think either that they are prey or enemies to be hunted down. The Nu Mou in their forest look more like they'll be a magic wielding nuisance than a physical threat, but who knows how much potential chaos would happen if a group of male only Ronso happened upon the female Viera village. With Viera being as reclusive as they are, I don't see how these races could stand to be near each other.

[Shippuu]

Found a picture of where Ronso are supposed to live. Mt. Gagazet is a frozen mountain. Wouldn't it have made more sense to introduce a fur-covered race in Heavensward where we had zones like these? I can't imagine anything resembling Ronso surviving in the desert castle area with the crystal wave we've seen in art, nor in the faerie land.

You probably shouldn't have bothered because that whole post is a mess. For one, nobody genuinely thinks legit Ronso are coming. It was never named by any leak and the closest we have is some relation to a Lion for a potential new race. Two, Au Ra made so much sense coming in Heavensward right? What with all their Far Eastern history and flair just being so important to Ishgard and their thousand year war with the dragons. Oh wait....

Three, you must know nothing about Eorzea geography to act like Isghard is the only place with any kind of cold mountains. Ilsabard and Othard are connected by a huge mountainous region, with the Garlean Empire unable to adequately siege the nation of Dalmasca until it's airships were advanced enough to bypass the mountain ranges. Or how about north of the Steppes in Othard? Past the Tail Mountains is an area we've never traveled to, the Dalvalan Grath, described as a wasteland with the cold sea north of it labeled The Blindfrost that also borders eastern Ilsabard. Or, since we're taking the fight to the Empire to a degree, the lands of Ilsabard are known to be very inhospitable, separated by a great mountain range cutting off the more welcoming weather of the south with a frigid and harsh north.

There's certainly no way a harsh group of beings couldn't be found somewhere in all those regions that are acclimated to such locales. It's certainly not where we're likely to encounter the dwarves or anything, surely... /s

I can't confirm his claim that they live in different woods, but I can say that the wiki states that the men just live separately from the women, in 12. It's vague enough to assume you have no reason to run into them in 12 when you're in a village for the females rather than males. But in 14, the lore explicitly states they're from the same tribes but are starkly defenders. If this is the case, why wouldn't a male Viera show up to stop us from entering? Why set this specific lore up unless it was for one of them to show up? Otherwise, they could have just repeated the lore with different wording and said the males heck off into other parts of the jungle to do their own stuff. Sure, it's no confirmation, but I would argue this is one of the hints Yoshida was mentioning.

Yet everything claims they just live in the Golmore jungle, so still nothing to support Viera in ff12 live in some completely separate jungles, just different parts of the same massive woods.

You assume we're going to see the entirety of where the Viera live which may certainly not be the case, we rarely get to explore every inch of the lands we go to. You also assume there won't be anything that could possibly cause the male viera to make themselves even more scarce. If we are having to go into the woods to do our Hero thing, then the people in those woods are likely in dire straights. We rarely go to places just for sightseeing. So it could very well be the majority or all of the males are either off at a different front doing their job as defenders, while we come in and help elsewhere because they don't have enough manpower. Or they could have been gathered to defend their woods, and then wiped out, it's not like there hasn't been a major plot point of a powerful chemical weapon the Empire makes and uses that would be perfect for wiping out guerilla fighters in a densely packed forest/jungle.

[redcurrant18]

It doesn't make sense for them to repeat another snowy mountain zone when we already have Western and Central Coerthas, as well as Eureka Pagos. Au Ra coming to Eorzea made sense back then because anyone who looks at them automatically thinks lizard/demon/dragon people. It worked for the theme of the expansion. We've had the winter wonderland and now we've switched to something that resembles a dream world of some kind. Why would the Warrior of Light head through dark and depressing areas and build zones of them when they could alternate route through zones that actually have life in them? We have a giant forest, a pink beach, faerie land, a desert, and another canyon like area with a fort that isn't posted to the official site but was displayed at one of the fanfests, which is also where Gunbreaker was shown.

Also you must know nothing about the dwarves of Final Fantasy because so far:

FF1-lived underground in a mountain in a summery area of the world map



FF4-lived underground in a castle next to a lava ocean beneath a tiny island in the middle of the overworld sea (Thavanair?)



FF9-lived on a desert mountain that resembles Gyr Abania called Conde Petie, and looked more like goofy goblins than traditional dwarves.



FF Dimensions-lived in a forested area of the world map (near a volcano)



In Final Fantasy they do not have any association with ice, snow, or winter. This is not World of Warcraft or Lord of the Rings. Deal with it along with the fact that no male Viera means I'll probably never shut up until they get added. This is not 2002 or FFXI when they could get away with a trick like that. This is a game with gay marriage, men wearing high heels and fishnet tights, Paissa and Carbuncle houses, but men with bunny ears are too much so they kill them all off? A trash idea like the one you mentioned of just making them all disappear in one go will have people raving mad.

[Shippuu]

It doesn't make sense for them to repeat another snowy mountain zone when we already have Western and Central Coerthas, as well as Eureka Pagos.

Just stop dude, you're talking nonsense right now. The entirety of the Shroud zones around Gridania or the jungles of Eureka Anemos aren't preventing them from adding the Raktika Greatwood. Just like the numerous desert zones of of Thanalan and Gyr Abania aren't preventing them from adding this area

Au Ra coming to Eorzea made sense back then because anyone who looks at them automatically thinks lizard/demon/dragon people.

You have to be trolling at this point...


I'm not even gonna bother anymore.



In other news, Vermillion Cloak confirmed, adding some credibility to the latter discord leaks (emphasize "some", not much, since it was an easy item to guess given a minion already had it.)

[Shougun]

It doesn't make sense for them to repeat another snowy mountain zone when we already have Western and Central Coerthas, as well as Eureka Pagos.

I'd be up for a very mountain peak zone to be honest. Coerthas doesn't really give that mountain feel imo, the scale isn't large enough . With our very large zones from 2.0+ and flying I believe we could see some VERY large mountains in game.

Also just playing that repeat visual card, we have (hunky started the train):

Gunblade job, with the famous griever on it based on a character with Lion in his name:

Center Stage Winged Lion (from the trailer that's selling the expansion, also in a dungeon like Kuribu):

Lamasu, a winged lion (shown either lion or bull parts) that I'd argue helped build Ronso/Griever (besides being inspiration for the above winged lion), part of the description is a guardian from evil magic built of stone before an area to protect it, relates to the zodiac:

Ronso, clearly inspired by Griever (inspired by Lamasu):

Kuribu:

Which Kuribu through google search lead me to Lamasu in the first place with some weird spellings (like "Kuribu" deep dive lead straight to Lamasu, which is, imo, clearly what the winged lion is). These Lamasu and Apsasu (strictly female lamasu) which inspired cherubim, and cherub being a bit angle like (like Kuribu) is also known to have a lion face/aspect (and eagle/ox):

So we're coming back around the mountain for some lions lol. Not that I think they'll literally be Ronso, but probably ronso-lion-like maybe even in lore. I just wanted to stuff as many lion refrences into the trailer as I could.

Also being of the zodiac might be importance with the whole Zodiark, Ascian ordeal. And maybe explain some of the power the white mages have, somehow? Of course FF always takes liberties with their references (which is cool). Also not claiming I found "thee" references, just possible ones I could make fit a narrative lol.

Or in otherwords, the trailer of shadowbringer has sold us three lion heavy laden elements - Lionheart's weapon/fighting style as a job, a literal winged lion (which inspired Griever) and which lore matches griever and ronso in some aspect, and then Kuribu which could have easily been inspired by the lore of Lamasu (via cherub) thus also a lion inspiration. Also the leaker didn't want to say more about the other race because of lore reasons, hmmmmmmmmm lol.

So shadowbringers trailer:
Lions 3
Viera 0


(yes, I am having fun XD)

[redcurrant18]

In other news, Vermillion Cloak confirmed, adding some credibility to the latter discord leaks (emphasize "some", not much, since it was an easy item to guess given a minion already had it.)

Credibility? There's NPCs in every city in FFXI who wear this cloak and the many variations of it. You don't have to be a leaker to predict this one at all. If this leaker was so in the know, why no news about Ozma being a mount? News like this would have made people way more excited than the few bits they did leak. Everyone loves Ozma. Surely they would have realized this.

Comparing Gridania's forest to the Greatwood is a bit of a stretch, seeing how it looks more like a jungle than anything else we've seen in the game so far. The same can be said about Thanalan and this new abandoned desert ruin. There are sand dunes only in a small part of Thanalan, not massive stretches of them. It would be really nice if they could do that for this new area to distinguish it more, along with the crystal wave. These areas remind me of Mobius FF, but seeing as how I don't play that broken loot box mess of a game, its nice that some similar environment designs are being put into a game that's actually worth playing.

So shadowbringers trailer:
Lions 3
Viera 0

You make some interesting points here, but again going solely based off trailers has led us all astray before like when people thought we were getting dancer after seeing Lyse. I like how in depth this is though, and it might mean that lions might be an important symbol/future beastman/playable race in the future. Each expansion has had a specific animal tied to it, like the dragons in Heavensward and the griffins in Stormblood. I still think it would be best for such a race to be released with both genders, and in an area that makes sense. They should have a habitat suited to their bodies, but what that could be I have no idea. It would be nice if in the far future we got areas based of off FFX, where that race might fit in better than in the ones shown off so far.

[Tabbs]

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I don't know if you realize this... but it's theorizing. Not assuming. You're doing it every bit as anyone else here is in arguing against us. I specifically said I cannot confirm his claim, I was bringing up a separate point.

But like... the Empire is just gonna throw the powerful chemical weapon around willy nilly? Everywhere? Sure, it fit the whacky theme Solus has going, but...That seems extremely unlikey. They'll use it as a plot device a few times, but I sorely doubt they'll use it to excuse the presence of male Viera. Especially because we start our adventure well before any of this happens, in Eorzea. So it's no excuse as to why we wouldn't have left well before it happened (as a male Viera WoL). Regardless, we don't need to see the entirety of the area to assume a male Viera would pop up. It's their JOB to protect the forest. They don't do it at their leisure. If they're not showing up, they're not doing their job. Even further, their population may be small, but this is their TURF. This is where they're all condensed to. The chances of seeing one skyrocket significantly once you're actually in their territory, even if it's not the entirety of it. Their numbers aren't so small that you would NOT run into one whilst in the Golmore Jungle. Assuming they didn't just stay hidden, you'd absolutely run into at least one.