Gender locked race?

[Bathroombard]

I'm really curious where the statement that Yoshi is against male viera is coming from. If someone could link me to where he's said that, I would appreciate it very much.

To clarify I'm talking about:

You're right in that player's personal aesthetic preferences don't matter, but do you know who's does? The director of the game's, who has consistently shown to be against the idea of male viera

[Gwenorai]

I'm really curious where the statement that Yoshi is against male viera is coming from. If someone could link me to where he's said that, I would appreciate it very much.

To clarify I'm talking about:

From what I recall he didn't want to make Male Viera because they would look 'odd' as in too cute, he doesn't like 'cute' male Viera. This, however, was before the Heavensward reveal of the Male Viera concept art. And his reasoning for not wanting to show the art was because he knew people would want the Viera and he liked the idea of Au'ra and wanted to continue with that.

Note; The Concept art of Male Viera in HW, wasn't cute, however; they were tall, manly and buff. If they were 'cute' and feminine I imagine he wouldn't have shown them at all.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I'm really curious where the statement that Yoshi is against male viera is coming from. If someone could link me to where he's said that, I would appreciate it very much.

To clarify I'm talking about:

Several articles were already linked where he spoke against wanting "cute" males, then said he thought they would be cute if at all.

Changes happen, of course. But they're there.

As for the "fire" changing the way of life for the Viera, I see that as how we might meet male Viera, but not play them? Any male Viera created will start at level 1 ARR time, which comes before this current content. And that would then not make sense. I'm not saying it means we won't get them, not at all. I see both sides (and am just a pessimist). But I don't think that is any sort of indication.

[Senn]

The lore does indeed say they're rare and that the dramaturge has never seen a male, Viera. But he heavily talks about their way of life and how they are insanely protective of their people and the wood.

I was wondering why the lore kind of went out of its way to describe male viera in a bit more depth, especially about their appearance. I don't know whether to take it as a hint, or just world building. Then again, the lore said male viera may as well "not exist" to us.
The current information we have now and Yoshi P's comments on male viera in the past make me believe playable male viera are less likely to be added to the game. There could be some other clue we're not seeing.

[NolLacnala]

Make catgirl/musclebro races
Make lore excuses to hide catboys/delete burlygirls
Import catgirl/musclebro races to spiritual successor game
Spiritual successor doesn't do so well for unrelated reasons
Reboot, but add catboys/burlygirls because why not
Most think this is perfectly fine

Get called out for returning to steps 1+2

I don't mind either way just pointing out the memory loss

[Jaywalker]

No problem, Shougun! Whoever predicts correctly gets to make an I PREDICTED X 2K19 signature on all their posts. XD

Also.

...I believe that SE has an ever growing void for "weird", imo all the current races are pretty standard (human being stretched up and down, I know there is anti-beastmen lore but that lore is being weakened drastically over time to the point of beastmen inside Ul'dah lol). Meanwhile other MMO offer some weird choices (like being undead, Charr, etc). I would agree that splitting a popular demand race is not the way to get to a weird race though.

*Plants hands on table* I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WHILE I AM SKEPTICAL THEY WOULD EVER DO IT I AM 100% ON BOARD WITH YOU WOULD LOVE A WEIRD OPTION.

I know I did a lot of crit on why I'd have misgivings about faces that look too animal specifically for FFXIV (would not have the same crit for e.g. Skyrim), but I do think spooky/eerie/a little monstrous looking could be really interesting and I'd actually love to bounce ideas around with you on that if you're game?

Offhand, there are a few things that seem like they might be limitations with FFXIV specifically compared to other MMOs. One is that Final Fantasy has a definite aesthetic to it and plays heavy into the pretty, cute, or awe-inspiring. So while weird/spooky is doable I suspect it would end up balanced with the overall setup so someone could look and immediately pinpoint that the character is in a final fantasy game. Another thing is that within the series, even Ananta are filed under beast tribes rather than humanoids. So in all likelihood weird would remain tied to basically humanoid, although still with wiggle room. Third thing is smaller, but essentially I've noticed that it seems to regarded as a given that any features showing up in FFXIV will be features that showed up in a previous game. Technically they can totally try something new, but it seems more likely they'd stick to the pattern.

The reason I've been going LUNARIANS is not because I think we need humans + funny colors so much as I figured a kind of mystical/alien vibe that was pushed into weirder territory could be really fun! Are there any other final fantasy races you think might lend themselves to weird with a little interpretation, without just sliding into full beast tribe territory?

[Crushnight]

1. , but I'd counterpoint that demand for Eureka is low but they're still doing it :P (5.0 like content even iirc).

2. I've got nothing for lore, if they happened as a seperate race then they're going to be coming out of no where lol. Although I guess my only supporting to that idea would be recently Yoshida mentioned he thought it would be more interesting to keep people in the dark more (rough wording, not exact). I think if ronso like is a thing it'll mostly appear as a dimorphic viera, but that's just me based on the idea that no other race is really available in lore (as you said).

3. Two whole (both gender) races would be awesome because I believe that SE has an ever growing void for "weird", imo all the current races are pretty standard (human being stretched up and down, I know there is anti-beastmen lore but that lore is being weakened drastically over time to the point of beastmen inside Ul'dah lol). Meanwhile other MMO offer some weird choices (like being undead, Charr, etc). I would agree that splitting a popular demand race is not the way to get to a weird race though. Like if you said no undead, orc, troll, etc in WoW then people would be like "blizzard, you've lost it!!" but if they said only female blood elf no male but we're adding male goblins.. then I think people would be even more upset. There is definitely a balance. I don't think neglecting the male viera slot is the solution to the void that I strongly believe should be filled, but fill it I want lol.

I definitely think that one of the ways we get female but not male viera is if both designers are against male viera, which is possible (imo) since Yoshi-P is already against it in some fashion and the tactics universe never had them which suggests he didn't care for them either..... Just to be clear to those reading I'm not saying this will happen, but that if it does it might be because of that (just so I don't get mistaken as "this will happen").

I agree with your suggestion it makes it appear they're pandering to a specific audience. In their defense that is a very large audience and makes them money, its like if you made adult entertainment.. you obviously pander.. but I would also suggest that under the same logic I use for the void that is beasts you should be careful with voids elsewhere, also to be fair mmorpg are not as simple as adult content where the audience type is as narrow haha (never thought I'd use that as an analogy lol). So I'm saying there is strength in pandering, but if you're not careful it makes you very lopsided and you'll fall over. I agree it can be an issue but just that I think some people demonize the idea of knowing and serving your audience accordingly - there is a balance (not suggesting you were making that argument, I just worry sometimes when it's brought up).

Aye SE will do what SE wants XD ultimately i am in the hope they come camp there is nothing wrong with wanting specific things in games you enjoy and it is down to the entire dev team who gets to decide what we get within the game Yoshi may make the final call but the dev team must also be willing to put the work in or it just won't get done at a respectable pace and this variable is something we have next to no clue on.
It will be unfortunate if Yoshi and maybe Matsuno put their personal preference ahead of player demand but i currently have some faith that they won't do that it's blind faith but it is what i got there has been no concrete information saying gender lock is a thing so i am putting my eggs in the basket for both genders playable

I am not opposed to Ronso or a lion like race i actually like their design just i do have a preference and it has tall ears

[Shippuu]

I'm really curious where the statement that Yoshi is against male viera is coming from. If someone could link me to where he's said that, I would appreciate it very much.

To clarify I'm talking about:

I'll post a quote from earlier in the thread when someone posted both of them.

From 2013 (where he says they might consider a separate race): https://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/2...jg8o6pCcXIo.99

From 2015 (after showing concept art): https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/the...n-sense/.91021

Somebody else pulled these out earlier in the thread so credit to them for finding these.

So the first is about doing a male race counterpart to viera if they add viera. He mentioned nothing about male viera being too cute, only that he finds the concept of male viera in general as potentially weird.

Later, after they showed concept art (meaning he was open to male viera enough to let his art team take a crack at them) but ultimately it seems he may not have been convinced still, claiming that they all seemed too cute to him.

So if those old concepts were all still too cute for him, than if he does male viera I'd reckon they may look significantly different than anything we've been shown before.

[BillyKaplan]

So if those old concepts were all still too cute for him, than if he does male viera I'd reckon they may look significantly different than anything we've been shown before.

I do wonder what the Viera's own creator's take on this is, because I agree with people who said he likely had a say in it too. That could've also played a part in why despite Yoshi's stance on it, we ended up with male Viera concepts in the first place.
Guess we'll see in the next FanFest.

[Daniolaut]

Yup. They made a lot of good decisions in xiv 1.0 so many good decisions and ideas that the game was a complete and total failure and had to be rebuilt from the ground up to be a totally different game.

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You do realize FFXIV version 2.0** was not rebuilt from the ground up?

You do realize a very large portion of 1.23b remains today?

You do realize content such as Ishgard, Sea of Clouds, Abalathia's Spine so on so forth was designed by the original 1.0 team?

You do realize its literally still Final Fantasy XIV Online? The lore with which most all XIV related content is drawn from the lore books created by the 1.0 team.

The concepts for the crafting system, gathering system's, gold saucer mini games, character models, zone names, NPC names, Leve quests, "ability to changes classes," all the enemy models, and other concepts are all remnants of version 1.0?



Absolutely, very much absolutely FFXIV 2.0+ was not built from the ground up. 1.0 lives today through 2.0. The only huge changes are the way the developement team handles bugs, and they redid the battle system, and graphics engine to help it run on PS3 so they could rectify the fact they sold version 1.0 on PS3 but never released it.

If version 2.0 was a completely new game built from the ground up they would have spent more time trying to save 1.0 character data to version 2.0 than would be worthwhile. Instead they ensured they would save and retain version 1.0 characters, and did so rather easily because... its basically the same game.

1.0 failed due to significant incompatibility of players computers, the severe bugs, and lack of content. Yoshida took version 1.0 and then added content and changed the battle system not only in version 1.0 but also in 2.0 again, and then keeps changing smaller elements of it like job gauges and actions potencies "role abilities" so on so forth.

People really need to get it out of their head that 1.0 is completely gone and 2.0 is a brand new game. There is much much much more to a game than just its name and development team.







Back on topic....

I anticipate male viera will be released. In the original Au Ra video, they didnt showcase the Xaela. People didnt immediately jump to the conclusion that Au Ra would be locked to a single version, unlike the other races. That I can recall anyway.

Wait till tokyo. If Male Viera isnt showcased then, thats when you can start to really worry.