Gender locked race?

[ChaseNetwork]

Pretty much this. Nobody is going to convince each other, and nobody's going to convince SE. Those who want it to be lore-breaking will always see it as lore-breaking, those who want it to be instituted will either be happy or sad when it is or isn't. SE already has their plans, and I really don't expect anyone is going to convince them otherwise.

Maybe sufficient backlash could sway them, but it didn't re: BLU, so I don't expect it here.

Personally, the damage is done - I'll be disappointed in them if they don't release male viera, and if they do (& announce it at Tokyo FF) I still think it's telling that they either 1) are so focused on hype or 2) have so little to announce that they have to reserve an entire gender of a race (that should, by rights, just be a given, like wow, you're getting the left AND the right shoe in this pair of shoes!) for a separate announcement. Is 5.0 really so barebones that they don't have more they can share?

Need to keep in mind that Yoshi doesn't have sole discretion over the Viera. Revealing male Viera will be a big deal for FFXII too. I think that he probably would want the FFXII Producer on hand for the male Viera reveal.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

The thing is if there are female roes there will never be a genderlock race ever lol idk y you would even think there would be

[Shippuu]

The thing is if there are female roes there will never be a genderlock race ever lol idk y you would even think there would be

Could be because the director of the game said there might be, specifically in regards to viera, after they had made female roegadyn?

:thinking:

[Shougun]

what is the smallest gamble male viera, ronso, rev or an unknown race?

Ronso baby, Ronso all the way CHOO CHOOOO! haha

I think making a normal viera male and then a clan of Ronso (feral/lion-like) Viera would be one of the best solutions right now, and for those wanting a small bunny allow the normal viera to have a large height variance. Feral bunny big manes, hair, muscle, a few short ear elf types, longer tails to balance on tree limbs.

I even got the lore on how to make them visually more different than one would expect from a race (of course it's just for fun, obviously too late for them to "use it" lol). All the feral viera are from one specific giant tree, upon this tree that they defend as the most holiest of grounds (throw back to Ronso) there are fruits born just here. The tree uniquely produces its own sort of Ceruleum fruit (mako fruit), which the viera of the area have closely guarded and which has given them mutations over time (stronger, faster, although a bit more wild like). Also is nice because Viera have been known to be sensitive to energy like that, for example Fran and the mist (which causes her to go beast mode).

The derivation is in fact from a giant liquid Ceruleum lake below the tree, a source the tree feeds upon, allowing for it to be as different and large as it is. The garlens are unaware of this yet as such a beastly looking tribe that is so protective of "just a tree" is uninteresting to them. If they found out, it would be very interesting though.

To be honest I feel like Ronso is less likely than male lion-Viera or a new race but I swear to Thal if its Rev I'm going to enter a new level of "but y tho" bewilderment. For all the people asking for something different, usually beastly, if they went for that race for players lol. . . I sad.

Could be because the director of the game said there might be, specifically in regards to viera, after they had made female roegadyn?

:thinking:

That and I wonder if Matsuno* secretly also finds them weird, such that Yoshida was like "these are weird right?" and he's like "omg yeah, why do you think I've shown whole villages of women and no men? female bunny girls 4lyfe". Then you have two powerful producers in agreement, would that be enough to go against what might be a likely backlash? Part of me says yes, because we've seen things that are like that before. Other part says they're just going to make it work because they know their fans.

I really have no confidence they will or wont lol.

*Haha sorry to someone I convinced to remove the T on his name in some previous posts, its just how I saw it from another person's youtube video XD (didn't say to remove it but I sort of lead the charge in wrong spelling). I imagine it's because the t in tsu may not be so easily heard for some people (at least when talking quickly) so they transcribe the sound su instead and then I copied that mistake from reading a video title lol, but I just looked up his characters and they have tsu in it.

[Corue]

Could be because the director of the game said there might be, specifically in regards to viera, after they had made female roegadyn?

:thinking:

"Hey guys remember that race you really wanted for like the better part of a decade? We're going to sell you half of it and to make up for it we're making the other half a race nobody has asked for."

I'm not seeing it.

[Shippuu]

"Hey guys remember that race you really wanted for like the better part of a decade? We're going to sell you half of it and to make up for it we're making the other half a race nobody has asked for."

I'm not seeing it.

"Hey guys remember that job you wanted for the better part of a decade? We're going to give it to you in a very limited way and prevent it from participating in highest level content."

Blue Mage's inclusion as a limited job was far more of a negative and risky choice than a gender locked race will ever be. Especially when that race has only been depicted by its females, so anyone asking for that race for a male version was entirely doing it off an imaginary and hypothetical version.

People are still getting the Viera the majority of people asking for the race would have wanted.

[Corue]

Blue Mage's inclusion as a limited job was far more of a negative and risky choice than a gender locked race will ever be.

Absolute toss. Comparing a job that's radically different to the current flow of gameplay to the gender of a race is nonsense.

BLU is BLU because people wanted a direct translation of it from XI. a job that: had to learn skills from monsters rather than from quests or leveling, could heal itself, could tank and could inflict effects like Doom. Something that would have completely broken the flow of gameplay and wouldn't fit within the "holy trinity" formula of an MMO. While questionable, a limited job was one of the ways they could have implemented it how people wanted without infringing on its identify of being a powerful spellcaster that learned abilities from monsters.

I fail to see how this is riskier than implementing a race but not only shafting about half the people who are interested in but giving them something completely unrelated to the race they wanted. There is not a single good reason as to why male Viera should be unplayable.
"But lore!" This isn't the Ivalice from the Ivalice Alliance series. This its own world with its own timeline that differs from the other one. Even the Viera look different. Why would implementing males in an unrelated world suddenly break the lore of a different series?
If we wanted to be lore friendly you wouldn't be able to do any quests that involve Viera because they refuse to speak to you for being an outsider.

[LaylaTsarra]

Gender locking the race doesn't make the expansion bare bones. Seriously... nothing like trying to exaggerate the fact you appear to be disappointed the race may be gender locked. It appears we have another race coming and if that is gender locked as well that would essentially even out the release to one male and one female addition to the game.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Gender locking the race doesn't make the expansion bare bones. Seriously... nothing like trying to exaggerate the fact you appear to be disappointed the race may be gender locked. It appears we have another race coming and if that is gender locked as well that would essentially even out the release to one male and one female addition to the game.

I didn't say gender-locking it meant the expansion was bare-bones. I said that trying to milk two Major Announcements (TM) out of one race smells like a bare-bones expansion. And that's only if they give us male Viera.

[LaylaTsarra]

I didn't say gender-locking it meant the expansion was bare-bones. I said that trying to milk two Major Announcements (TM) out of one race smells like a bare-bones expansion. And that's only if they give us male Viera.

Male Viera in no way equate to an expansion being bare bones and the announcements have been just fine. Personally I think the race is gender locked and that they will be announcing another race in Toyko for which they are not prepared to announce until then. Just my take on it. If males were part of the release I truly think we'd have seen them already.