Please no more Eureka!

[AugustI]

Why is there another thread about this..? The last one is still going.

[Hugowulf]

Why is there another thread about this..? The last one is still going.

People like to complain more than anything else on the forums.

[Voltyblast]

You're the only one that can answer this question. I personally like doing the relic as a personal goal. I don't really care about how competitive it is.

Already did: it's worthless glamour and I don't care about glamour, not to this point. Not when there are objectively better alternatives. Not when it's a waste of time.

What I describe is not my logic, it's SE's reasoning. My reasoning is that capped tome should not provide gear, because it's an extremely lazy way to gain such a powerful gear. Also, raid, primal and additionnal content should provide different types of reward, because if one content gives everything, it just kills the other content.

It's called horizontal progression and it basically means that you can obtain different kinds of gear that are all relevant and valid options to play the game. The game is fixated with vertical progression instead which is why the relic becomes immediately obsolete.
I'm not a player of ff11 but I'm 100% sure many can tell you how it works better than me, so ask them.

And everyone will be happy, then. And it's more mature that asking to remove/stop creating content just because you don't like it when everything else in the game already fits your view.

Yes because criticism equals to being immature, toxic and a troll we should be purged! if I could get a euro for every time I hear that...

If you don't want to hear criticism, don't come here? Forums are made for discussing feedback and other things and this is why I'm here, like many others. Are there trolls here? Yes, there are, but I'm not one of them, but since I'm criticizing something I'm already labeled an immature player so by that logic anyone who complains about the game is an immature troll. Maybe define your meaning of "being immature".

Keep on playing the game that you genuinely love and enjoy it as you clearly don't have issues with it: nobody's taking you out of it and nobody will tell you anything bad because of it. It's the opposite actually, I feel jealous because I wish I could enjoy the game as you do, but I can't: I'm here because I'm complaining about a game I put 5 years of my life into it and I want it to improve, but instead, we keep seeing it going backward and so many others think the same - or else we wouldn't have these threads.

Why are you here? If you're here commenting on us "immature" for our criticism rather than playing, it could mean that the game isn't so great, is it...?

[BubblyBoar]

The old relic weapons were not just tome weapons. They required many different steps that used old and new content for progress on a single weapon. 2-3 steps at most used tomes until they made steps easier with old tomes. I don't know how you got it in your head that old relics were just tome grind weapons. Were you even around for them?

[Cidel]

People like to complain more than anything else on the forums.

Rather, some people feel like their 2 cents might be too special to be wasted on anything but post #1 of a topic.

[Freyt]

If we remove rewards from pvp, how many people left will do it?

Maybe the real question should be "Is the grind worth the rewards?"

You could gate all future content behind Eureka and I'd then probably quit the game instead of actually doing it. As it is I already have to accept the fact that I'll never see the Eureka story line. During 4.5 I noticed the main story line cared about as much as I did.

[Beckett]

Rather, some people feel like their 2 cents might be too special to be wasted on anything but post #1 of a topic.

We're all just pissing in the wind here, anyway. It feels like the only time they ever pay attention to any opinions or suggestions from the West is when they get ambushed at Q&A sessions.

[Voltyblast]

You could gate all future content behind Eureka and I'd then probably quit the game instead of actually doing it. As it is I already have to accept the fact that I'll never see the Eureka story line. During 4.5 I noticed the main story line cared about as much as I did.

DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS! They could actually do that! I swear whenever I say something like "what's next, they'll do more X" it eventually turns out to be true!

[Reynhart]

Not when there are objectively better alternatives. Not when it's a waste of time.

Other alternatives are also a waste of time, considering the short lifespan of very item in the game. Even Savage reward are clearly not valuable enough since they are only slightly better than what you can obtain by simply doing your roulette.

It's called horizontal progression and it basically means that you can obtain different kinds of gear that are all relevant and valid options to play the game.

I've spent years in FFXI, so I know what horizontal progression means. This game is not suited for that, and probably never will. You can't have horizontal progresson when you have a mathematical best stuff, only stuff that you aren't able to obtain.

Yes because criticism equals to being immature, toxic and a troll we should be purged! if I could get a euro for every time I hear that...

Criticism is not. "Wa wa wa, delete Eureka because I don't like it" is. Especially when people claim facts based on nothing like how the whole playerbase don't like Eureka.

nobody's taking you out of it and nobody will tell you anything bad because of it.

What ? Did you actually follow some Eureka hate threads before ? Didn't you see the number of "braindead" and "white knight" comments directed at those who liked Eureka ? Here's an example :

You are just flat out wrong over and over again. I can see why you like Eureka so much and sit here reply to every contrary point Not really any point in arguing with you, so I'm just not anymore.

Yea, they're just trolling you. Don't feed them cause they'll only just continue to troll you.

Tell me again how this is "criticism"

2-3 steps at most used tomes until they made steps easier with old tomes.

You already posted that in another thread and it's still wrong. Exactly 2 steps of the Zodiac didn't require tome when released, and on those two steps, the first one didn't improve your weapon at all (Atma farm) and the other one still asked you to do dungeons and trials, so the same content that offered tomestones.

[BubblyBoar]

Doing old content was the point of the relic quest. And I liked how you skipped over the crafting, materia melding, the books, the light farm and everything else and just reduced everything to tome grind to make your point. Sounds like you don't have an actual point.