Gender locked race?

[Corue]

So the gender locked races are entirely based on assumption at this point, but from a pretty credible source, based on the that information. I admit I feel like it's all the more credible because the Viera announcement video had all females, but that's not definitive either. Strange decision if they randomly left the males out for no reason, though.

My only problem is that if male Viera were to be genderlocked that he would have mentioned that. That's a pretty big thing to leave out, especially when you're more than happy to leak upcoming story and jobs.

Also BluFever said Ronso-like, not necessarily Ronso

Where was this said? The only "leak" that claimed it was a Ronso-like race has already been debunked to be someone else piggy-backing off the leaks.

[GenericMagus]

Also BluFever said Ronso-like, not necessarily Ronso

[InkstainedGwyn]

My only problem is that if male Viera were to be genderlocked that he would have mentioned that. That's a pretty big thing to leave out, especially when you're more than happy to leak upcoming story and jobs.



Where was this said? The only "leak" that claimed it was a Ronso-like race has already been debunked to be someone else piggy-backing off the leaks.

My cynicism says they want to wait to announce it after pre-orders in the hopes that already having ordered it and their history of not being great with refunds will make people just shrug and say whatever, I'll still buy it.

[JBee]

I'm 100% not a fan of gender or race locked content in mmos - and while it's been a dealbreaker for me in the past with other games, if Viera are female only, well, whatever I guess. I had no intention of swapping to a male Viera myself, but I find it unfortunate for those who had intended on changing to a Male Viera (if the assumpptions are even true).

Even with the leaks aside, during the live letter on Sunday the following Q/A is more telling than anything else to me:

Q - "Fans are very excited that Viera is a new race but I think that fans are hoping that we’ll also get the male Viera as a playable character. Can you comment on that? Or even if they’re going to be NPCs if not, or if we have to wait until Tokyo Fan Fest?"

A - "That’s true we do still have the Tokyo Fan Fest ahead of us. zips mouth"

If there were playable Male Viera, he could very easily have just said, "Yeah, but you'll see them in Tokyo," or "We're still polishing them," or something.

Plus, having just watched the Au Ra reveal video - there were male and female models there. I have a very strong feeling anyone looking forward to playable male Viera are going to be disappointed.

[Crushnight]

I'm 100% not a fan of gender or race locked content in mmos - and while it's been a dealbreaker for me in the past with other games, if Viera are female only, well, whatever I guess. I had no intention of swapping to a male Viera myself, but I find it unfortunate for those who had intended on changing to a Male Viera (if the assumpptions are even true).

Even with the leaks aside, during the live letter on Sunday the following Q/A is more telling than anything else to me:

Q - "Fans are very excited that Viera is a new race but I think that fans are hoping that we’ll also get the male Viera as a playable character. Can you comment on that? Or even if they’re going to be NPCs if not, or if we have to wait until Tokyo Fan Fest?"

A - "That’s true we do still have the Tokyo Fan Fest ahead of us. zips mouth"

If there were playable Male Viera, he could very easily have just said, "Yeah, but you'll see them in Tokyo," or "We're still polishing them," or something.

Plus, having just watched the Au Ra reveal video - there were male and female models there. I have a very strong feeling anyone looking forward to playable male Viera are going to be disappointed.

Which would be very bad business sense if we assume 5% of the game population(probably an overestimate but going to roll with it) and use the lowball of active subs at 500k (unofficial ofc as SE never reveal numbers of subs) we get 25k people wanting to be male vieras fantasias are £5.75 so 25000 x 5.75 is £143,750 that is a decent amount of money from just fantasias and SE would be fools to ignore that. gender locking viera to make another male gender locked race is way too big a gamble to warrant such an investment but i can't know what SE is doing so if they go this route it will be a gamble that won't pay off.

[Corue]

I have a very strong feeling anyone looking forward to playable male Viera are going to be disappointed.

All I want to know is: why would they suddenly want to genderlock a fan-requested race out of nowhere? What reason would they have?

[LadyKairi]

If there were playable Male Viera, he could very easily have just said, "Yeah, but you'll see them in Tokyo," or "We're still polishing them," or something.

Plus, having just watched the Au Ra reveal video - there were male and female models there. I have a very strong feeling anyone looking forward to playable male Viera are going to be disappointed.

As far as I’m aware, there hasn’t been male viera shown before, so them being in our game as a playable race would be huge. Of course he’d save it. And you have too much faith in yoshi if you think he’d ever just say “we’re still working on them” or anything like that. They obviously didn’t show the males for a reason, and you people seem to forget our beloved producer is a troll. Don’t forget that he loves withholding information to make people squirm, regardless if it’s in bad taste. It’s what he does. The fact you and other people think he’d say something to put people at ease is hilarious. The troll has admitted to being a troll lol.

[Gwenorai]

All I want to know is: why would they suddenly want to genderlock a fan-requested race out of nowhere? What reason would they have?

There's no logic in it and even the lore can be debunked to allow them - heck even the story allows it.

I'm 100% not a fan of gender or race locked content in mmos - and while it's been a dealbreaker for me in the past with other games, if Viera are female only, well, whatever I guess. I had no intention of swapping to a male Viera myself, but I find it unfortunate for those who had intended on changing to a Male Viera (if the assumpptions are even true).

Even with the leaks aside, during the live letter on Sunday the following Q/A is more telling than anything else to me:

Q - "Fans are very excited that Viera is a new race but I think that fans are hoping that we’ll also get the male Viera as a playable character. Can you comment on that? Or even if they’re going to be NPCs if not, or if we have to wait until Tokyo Fan Fest?"

A - "That’s true we do still have the Tokyo Fan Fest ahead of us. zips mouth"

If there were playable Male Viera, he could very easily have just said, "Yeah, but you'll see them in Tokyo," or "We're still polishing them," or something.

Plus, having just watched the Au Ra reveal video - there were male and female models there. I have a very strong feeling anyone looking forward to playable male Viera are going to be disappointed.

Ronso tribe are nowhere near Ivalice - the only lion like species that is in that 'area' is Rev.

As for not telling us about the Male Viera. Why would they tell us when the big reveal would be at JP fanfest? Male Viera has never been seen before, their appearance widely speculated. You're not going to give a half-arsed 'oh yeah, they'll be playable - but you'll see them later.' No, they're going to wait for buildup and hype and then release it in the country it all started, and most likely with the creators of Viera from tactics/ff12. Male Viera would be a huge thing - not just for FF14 fanbase but for those who were major fans of FF12 and tactics.

And if they don't well, they're going to get harassed until they do hand it in. Sure preorders and all that, but people can cancel preorders. So I'm not understanding the preorder argument either.

[Shougun]

I'm 100% not a fan of gender or race locked content in mmos - and while it's been a dealbreaker for me in the past with other games, if Viera are female only, well, whatever I guess. I had no intention of swapping to a male Viera myself, but I find it unfortunate for those who had intended on changing to a Male Viera (if the assumpptions are even true).

Even with the leaks aside, during the live letter on Sunday the following Q/A is more telling than anything else to me:

Q - "Fans are very excited that Viera is a new race but I think that fans are hoping that we’ll also get the male Viera as a playable character. Can you comment on that? Or even if they’re going to be NPCs if not, or if we have to wait until Tokyo Fan Fest?"

A - "That’s true we do still have the Tokyo Fan Fest ahead of us. zips mouth"

If there were playable Male Viera, he could very easily have just said, "Yeah, but you'll see them in Tokyo," or "We're still polishing them," or something.

Plus, having just watched the Au Ra reveal video - there were male and female models there. I have a very strong feeling anyone looking forward to playable male Viera are going to be disappointed.

Yeah... That's the only reason why I've even sort of entertained the thought of gender locked races (because under any other circumstance I wouldn't think it'd happen). That and due to the leak it adds some credence to "two races", which I have a hard time to believe there would be two complete races (possible though), and "lion like". Lion like I've just been calling Ronso, even if it may not be that, because of the high fidelity SE picture it paints.

Then you've got the game watch interview where he is like read the lore, adding importance to the lore we have (lore is like "males be rare yo").

Q: The question everyone got the most excited for at yesterday's press Q&A was the male Vieras. Since it's you, Yoshida, we think there'll be male Vieras. But in FFXII, male Vieras are extremely rare and never appear. How are you going to introduce them into FFXIV?

A: Who knows? I'm a contrarian, so when you say "Yoshida would definitely do this", it makes me not want to answer *laughs* Actually, in the Return to Ivalice story that concluded the other day, there's a ton of lore about Vieras in FFXIV. We coordinated with Matsuno-san to include most of the hints there, so please check that. Matsuno-san wrote wonderful texts for us.

I want to note that the lore doesn't make male Viera impossible, but you certainly could take a gender-lock concept out of it. It is how miqote were locked, but as we all know they've also been unlocked.

I've also been wondering what might increase the chance of a lock is the desire not to affect another FF property. That the person who helped head that other property (Yasumi Matsuno) is the one that wrote the lore for this game also lends a heavy hand to that idea. If Yasumi Matsuno doesn't want male Viera (which sounds more plausible than wants since we've never seen them) then it might mean something. Imagine if they add male Viera here, then not adding them in other tactic world based games is weirder - they may not have wanted to push those other games to add male Viera (as those games that have Viera clearly didn't want to add males, they've never really existed outside of a few lines of text). Note I said increase the chance, not that I've laywer"ed" the issue into a neat little corner lol.

My gut says most likely a lion like male viera, but with all the info on the table my head would say nothing is set in perfect stone and a weird number of options are available right now (including two whole races, gender locks, leaker mistake and lion isn't playable, ronso viera, etc). I would say if Viera has a strong Ronso (lion like influence) I might consider switching races.. I was actually a bit sad with the idea of this being the last race, and have been really hoping something weird comes out of the leaker's lion comment. Although, I've largely been sold that a ronso-like Viera could be possible. But with all the variables on the table and Yoshida playing a very strong game of keep away, we might have more things than one may consider normally possible right now lol.

What I wish happens is we get smacked in the face with either some amazingly different clans, like an elvish inspired viera and then a ronso-like inspired viera, or a whole new race where both new and Viera come with both genders.. Two races seems less likely but would be taking the prophecy (lol) words at face value, and they've said some wild true things already.

Moombas from FFVIII and Revs from Ivalice are lion like, but there is no reason for them to be playable and not male vieras (same for Ronsos, no one really ask for them and there is no mention of them in the lore of FFXIV)

There have actually been a few Ronso specific race requests, myself included. Although most of them are like 4+ years old. Not that I'm suggesting that Ronso would be more popular than male Viera lol, just that weird races (ronso included) have been desired for a while (Viera community certainly wins the unity award on wanting a specific race though).

All I want to know is: why would they suddenly want to genderlock a fan-requested race out of nowhere? What reason would they have?

Contrarian Yoshi-P? Lol. I mean some people have this question like "but why, why, how?" but I had that feeling about limited blue mage soo.... /shrug . I give him credit for being so consistent (he said Blue Mage would be like that since long ago), but then also he has said he wasn't a fan of male Viera since long ago too. I'm still praying he considers making Blue Mage an Advanced job (both normal and limited, via subset of balanced skills and a flipable stone for DF).

Ronso tribe are nowhere near Ivalice - the only lion like species that is in that 'area' is Rev.

Well I'm sure there are some mountains in Ivalice . I doubt if they had wanted to add them that someone on the lore team going "but this isn't a FFX throwback area, it can't be done!" would stop anyone lol.

[Gwenorai]

I mean, what get's me about Ronso is that they guard a holy land by lore. Which means if we go Ronso again and have them have a similar background to Viera with 'guarding a holy land'. Then I have to ask what's the point? Unless they're going to have them do something completely random like hold a Blitz ball championship. Actually, I've figured it out. Ronso is just going to be a playable race in the gold saucer where we play blitzball. Sorted.