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  1. #91
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    Katie_Kitty's Avatar
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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    As someone who has wanted a Gunblade job since the FFXI days, I was saddened when it was announced as Tank but not surprised since, you know, leaks. People in FFXI said it would never work in that game. Then Dissidia came out for the PSP and I really wanted a Gunblade DPS job just because Squall was so fun to play. But hey, at least we finally got a Gunblade job at all even if it is a tank. And hey, could be worse, it could have been a limited job...

    FFXIV "may" have needed tanks and healers, (Odds are it wont make more people play tanks and healers, although I'm going to try to so maybe it will...) but did it "have" to be Gunbreaker? The Gunblade just screams DPS to me. But then again so does DRK so what do I know.

    I'm curious. Why do we need new Tanks / Healers? Most of the time you can only have one tank / healer in a party at a time. 2 if you are doing trails / raids. Is it just to give the current tanks / healers something new to play before they go back to their old jobs cause they like them better? Is it to try and make new players play tanks / healers? I doubt THAT many will switch to make any significant change to the DF. Reason to have more DPS imo is because you have anywhere from 2 to 5 DPS in a party so it can be vary up the party quite a bit.
    You should probably consider that the tanks and healers in your parties, who carry you through content, are not AI or computers - They are living, breathing, in-the-flesh human beings. They like to get new things to play in a role they enjoy, too. Why should only DPS players get new classes while tanks and healers sit around with the same 3 classes forever? Just because you only like playing DPS, and you really want to play a gunblade class, doesn't mean gunblade should be DPS.
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  2. #92
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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    I'm glad it's a tank. Now, bring on a new healer and I'm happy.
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  3. #93
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    Adore Mi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakkaelus View Post
    Believe it or not, Tanks and Healers want to enjoy the game too. DPS players aren't the only ones who appreciate variety.
    The sad part is that you had to explain that to the person you're responding to. Proves how insanely self-centered some people can be.
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  5. #94
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    Skullhack's Avatar
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    Eden Arche
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by kikix12 View Post
    Mathematical things.
    You completly missed my point. I wasn't talking about queue time. I simply don't want to see tanks/heals disabled from PF because they are not meta and considered weaker (like DRK some times ago).

    I hope you didn't take too much time to write this, considering it doesn't apply in reality too...

    Also, after watching Thancred fight with gunblade... It looks even less tank than before. I know it's a trailer, but the guy just dashed 2 times throught the mob while exploding and reloading. Meanwhile us players will stand in front of the mob, hitting 1-2-3 to get aggro and 1-4-5 to dps with a 2.5 gcd... Just joking, but yeah...
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    Last edited by Skullhack; 02-04-2019 at 09:02 AM.

  6. #95
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    Mike Aettir
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhack View Post
    I simply don't want to see tanks/heals disabled from PF because they are not meta and considered weaker (like DRK some times ago).
    And what about DPS, do they not get disabled in PF for not being meta? because I'm pretty sure they do.

    Alot of arguments come from the point of it being a detriment to other tanks/healers to add new ones, whether it be balance issues, a numbers game etc. however, they fail to realise the same arguments can be made against them being a dps as well. The DPS are not balanced as they are, there are jobs preferred over others, there are already a multitude of DPS, of which, going by dungeon ratio, they far outnumber the current tank/healer/dps ratios.

    Going back to the start of SB, there were people both sides of the coin for wanting Samurai to be tank or DPS. Tanks wanted Samurai to be a tank as a new toy to use, others wanted it as a DPS as a new toy to use. In the end, it's a DPS, so the DPS side of the coin were happy. It's the same here. People wanted a Gunblade wielding job to be a tank, others a DPS, this time however, the coin flipped to the tank side, so now us tanks are happy.

    The people saying it should be a DPS because 'I want it to be a DPS, the tanks already have stuff' well guess what, so do DPS. Weak argument.

    At the end of the day, Tanks and Healers have not had a new job since HW and while I enjoy tanking, we still need new toys to play with, just just the DPS do. You had your new toys in SB, so now it's time for you to wait til 6.0 and see what gets released then (I am assuming the next Job to be revealed for ShB is going to be a healer).
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  7. #96
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    Scholar Lv 90
    There are DPS jobs that aren't "meta" either, meta and viability are different things. I don't buy it as an argument to not add tank and healer jobs. It's on them to balance them properly. They shouldn't get a free pass to not add tank and healer jobs, two roles that haven't gotten a new addition since HW which was released in 2015 just because they can't balance them.

    They aren't that great at balancing DPS jobs either tbh.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 02-04-2019 at 09:13 AM.

  8. #97
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Honestly, looking at both trailers, I'll be absolutely shocked if Gunbreaker is a tank. It used a defensive cooldown once... Samurai did too. You need a lot more than that to convince me of it being a tank. And I personally don't see Gunblades being a "first line of defence" weapon anyway.

    It works on Warrior and Dark Knight, because they use heavy weapons that can be used to parry effectively. Paladin don't have the same sort of leverage they do, but make up for it just by having a shield. Gunbreaker does not have that. Gunblades don't have leverage, and you don't have a freehand for a shield.

    I'm far more certain it's going to be a DPS, and we're going to get announcements for other jobs that cover heal and tanking.
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  9. #98
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    Arkadya Dravena
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    Samurai Lv 100
    I wish it was a dps too because then I might be interested in it, but realistically it's definitely time for a new tank and healer.
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  10. #99
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    Mike Aettir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    I'm far more certain it's going to be a DPS, and we're going to get announcements for other jobs that cover heal and tanking.
    It has already been officially confirmed as a Tank at the Paris Fanfest in the opening keynote.
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  11. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    It has already been officially confirmed as a Tank at the Paris Fanfest in the opening keynote.
    Is that so? Well, colour me shocked.

    It still makes no sense to me.
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