Red Mage Rumor Mill

[Transient_Shadow]

Taking it away from RDM is easy, but in this scenario SCH would suffer and lose Resurrection. Well they could trait it for SMN at level 30 so it changes in to something else, but Arcanist would still have it eitherway as SCH requires it for pre-30 content (even though there isn't that much).

If SE are able to spilt the jobs successfully then Resurrection could be removed from SMN, though I don't see that as a priority in the grand scheme of things.

While Arcanist is tied to both summoner and sch, SE can pick and choose abilities for each. This is why sch has Miasma II and smn has ruin IV etc. changing the raise bit would be easy. It's the stats bit that's harder for the arcanist jobes.

[InkstainedGwyn]

While Arcanist is tied to both summoner and sch, SE can pick and choose abilities for each. This is why sch has Miasma II and smn has ruin IV etc. changing the raise bit would be easy. It's the stats bit that's harder for the arcanist jobes.

SE is also already talking about splitting SCH away from ARC/SMN anyway, as it's the only class you get a "freebie" from levelling the other. They'd most likely keep ARC/SMN as the class/job, and make SCH something you pick up at 30, like AST, etc.

[Transient_Shadow]

SE is also already talking about splitting SCH away from ARC/SMN anyway, as it's the only class you get a "freebie" from levelling the other. They'd most likely keep ARC/SMN as the class/job, and make SCH something you pick up at 30, like AST, etc.

I'd be very much for this. I enjoy playing as summoner too and it would be nice to level it separately.

[Jandor]

SE is also already talking about splitting SCH away from ARC/SMN anyway, as it's the only class you get a "freebie" from levelling the other. They'd most likely keep ARC/SMN as the class/job, and make SCH something you pick up at 30, like AST, etc.

They've been talking about it since HW, never anything more than "maybe."

[Iscah]

SE is also already talking about splitting SCH away from ARC/SMN anyway, as it's the only class you get a "freebie" from levelling the other. They'd most likely keep ARC/SMN as the class/job, and make SCH something you pick up at 30, like AST, etc.

If they did split scholar EXP-wise from arcanist, it's quite likely it would still require a Lv30 arcanist to unlock the job.

I doubt they would remove classes overall. It would require a huge amount of rewriting - you can't just take all the class quest scripts and change them to refer to the job name instead. Job quests often highlight the difference between class and job skills.

[Kazrah]

If they did split scholar EXP-wise from arcanist, it's quite likely it would still require a Lv30 arcanist to unlock the job.

I doubt they would remove classes overall. It would require a huge amount of rewriting - you can't just take all the class quest scripts and change them to refer to the job name instead. Job quests often highlight the difference between class and job skills.

Actually, Yoshi brought up removing base classes some time ago. I think it had something to do with the claim that base classes were just a 1.0 leftover and it wasn't until they started work on the jobs for Heavensward that devs felt the base classes to be unnecessary (hence why future jobs no longer have them).

As for the original question, I wouldn't mind seeing Verraise removed just to see 1) how player preferences would shift, 2) the dev explanation for it (I might need popcorn for the player response), 3) what Red Mage would get both in exchange and going forward for that lack of utility and 4) the joy of not seeing five Red Mages in a DF group--seriously, I see this at least once every other week and it's just getting stupid.

[Iscah]

Actually, Yoshi brought up removing base classes some time ago. I think it had something to do with the claim that base classes were just a 1.0 leftover and it wasn't until they started work on the jobs for Heavensward that devs felt the base classes to be unnecessary (hence why future jobs no longer have them).

Depends whether it's something they're seriously looking at, or just a "thought bubble" that would need to be popped as soon as he (or other team members) looked at what it would actually involve to do that.

[Jandor]

Depends whether it's something they're seriously looking at, or just a "thought bubble" that would need to be popped as soon as he (or other team members) looked at what it would actually involve to do that.

Probably the thought bubble one, unless I've missed it Yoshi has only mentioned removing classes once, a long long time ago, in a "maybe but it won't be before 5.0 at the earliest" sort of way.

There just isn't any real need to remove them, Scholar and Summoner are both fine and sharing Arcanist doesn't have any real impact on them, and if the XP sharing does upset the devs that much making one of the jobs an 'advanced job' would be much easier than stripping out classes.

[Iscah]

Probably the thought bubble one, unless I've missed it Yoshi has only mentioned removing classes once, a long long time ago, in a "maybe but it won't be before 5.0 at the earliest" sort of way.

That's what I figured was likely. Suggest something once in passing, and the fandom will never forget.

[Kurando]

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I'm doubting it's as easy as you say, otherwise they would of done it a long time ago. It was like the case with Leeches, SE couldn't make the level to use it lower for SCH so instead they opted to make Esuna a cross role action instead accessable to all the healers. Previously SCH had no way to use Leeches in synced content under lvl 30 unless Arcanist was allowed to use it as well, and that wasn't going to happen. They could move Rez to SCH only actions, but the lvl required would still be 30 or over so it's the same situation.