Blue mage is a waste of potential, change my mind.

[ChocoFeru]

The second bullet literally says "not suited for parties". What else could that mean? If they were specifically referring to the Masked Carnivale, then they wouldn't need to say the same thing twice in one slide. The last sentence, after the second bullet, is literally only saying that "hey, even though this job CAN be in parties, we need to clarify that the Masked Carnivale is a solo duty" and it is not saying "when we say BLU is designed for solo, we mean the Masked Carnivale".

It says 'can learn abilities' - not forced to, The lines that hit people are Designed for Solo Play & Not Suited for Parties.
What could be more of a definition than those two headline statements about the class?

Designed for Solo, Not Suited for Parties v the actual - Forced to non-Solo, Forced to Party.
If this was a consumer product, people would just go back and get a refund.

Ok then, let's change the point of view to see if it helps to understand;

SE didn't state that BLU was meant to solo dungeons. Prove it if I'm wrong.

[BillyKaplan]

SE didn't state that BLU was meant to solo dungeons

Then the problem is SE locked BLU skills behind those non-soloable dungeons.

[Arrius]

Then the problem is SE locked BLU skills behind those non-soloable dungeons.

Then it could be, again, a translation error in the explained text.
Instead of 'Not suited for Parties' it could've meant 'Not being able to form/join Duty Parties'.

Again, could be hair splitting in my opinion and SE not have worded out properly, thus receiving the fallout of their decision to word it like this.

[HyoMinPark]

Then it could be, again, a translation error in the explained text.
Instead of 'Not suited for Parties' it could've meant 'Not being able to form/join Duty Parties'.

Again, could be hair splitting in my opinion and SE not have worded out properly, thus receiving the fallout of their decision to word it like this.

No, the second bullet point is literally a direct translation of the Japanese. If they were meaning “Not able to form/join Duty Parties”, the verb would have a different conjugation—mainly the potential form. Instead, it’s the direct negative of the verb that means “to be suited for”.

[Arrius]

No, the second bullet point is literally a direct translation of the Japanese. If they were meaning “Not able to form/join Duty Parties”, the verb would have a different conjugation—mainly the potential form. Instead, it’s the direct negative of the verb that means “to be suited for”.

But we can form parties, so that was a thing thrown out of the window at the very start. Forming, as in making or joining existing parties.
So I can assume SE didn't give the text a proper proofreading and didn't clarify this properly by limiting it to Duty Parties, since 'Duty' is whatever is present in the Duty Finder tab without changing the settings (undersized, minimum IL).

Also, thank you for translating the texts. It's very helpful!

[HyoMinPark]

But we can form parties, so that was a thing thrown out of the window at the very start. Forming, as in making or joining existing parties.

So I can assume SE didn't give the text a proper proofreading and didn't clarify this properly by limiting it to Duty Parties, since I assume 'Duty' is whatever is present in the Duty Finder tab without changing the settings (undersized, minimum IL).

The text says “Not Suitable for Party Content” — it says nothing about forming parties or joining parties, just that they aren’t suitable for party content.

There are several different inferences that can be made about the statement: the one I personally made was that it would be unable to fit into the regular party content due to being difficult to balance. In other words, I interpreted it as the job would actually be a bit overpowered, but it ends up being the opposite. Adding to the advertisement of it being a Solo Job, I also inferred it would have decent soloing capabilities outside of just the Masked Carnivale and overworld mobs, but its solo sustain for content near or at its level is fairly weak.

[Arrius]

The text says “Not Suitable for Party Content” — it says nothing about forming parties or joining parties, just that they aren’t suitable for party content.

But they were straight locked out of the matchmaking Duty content but still could make their own parties and tackle dungeons, of they could've just simply mentioned that beforehand and saved everyone the guessing back then.

There are several different inferences that can be made about the statement: the one I personally made was that it would be unable to fit into the regular party content due to being difficult to balance. In other words, I interpreted it as the job would actually be a bit overpowered, but it ends up being the opposite. Adding to the advertisement of it being a Solo Job, I also inferred it would have decent soloing capabilities outside of just the Masked Carnivale and overworld mobs, but its solo sustain for content near or at its level is fairly weak.

I think of the game balance as a rough line, where the Blue Mage is making sharp jumps up and down due to certain spells. And those 'sharp jumps' cannot be 'smoothed out' as that would endanger the integrity of the job, as the mmo's of this time and age are much simpler in terms to gameplay, complexity and depth. Just look at XI and the roster of spells they got over there.

As for the solo aspect, I would've gone with 'Designed for Solo-Oriented play' and soften the argument instead of taking a hard stance of 'Designed for Solo play'.
Just me, tho.

[Whanext]

But we can form parties, so that was a thing thrown out of the window at the very start. Forming, as in making or joining existing parties.
So I can assume SE didn't give the text a proper proofreading and didn't clarify this properly by limiting it to Duty Parties, since 'Duty' is whatever is present in the Duty Finder tab without changing the settings (undersized, minimum IL).

Also, thank you for translating the texts. It's very helpful!

I do not understand what you are trying to argue. The slide is literally official translated, and SE should take full responsibility of the words they showed/said. Poor proofreading is a terrible excuse.

[Tabbs]

Ok then, let's change the point of view to see if it helps to understand;

SE didn't state that BLU was meant to solo dungeons. Prove it if I'm wrong.

SE also didn't state that BLU was meant to party up. But what they DID state was that, as you can clearly see in the above screenshot, that it was meant for solo play and wasn't designed for parties. They also stated that it was SO OVERPOWERED that it would break current content. Both of these things imply it is capable of soloing most or all content.

There's nothing to prove wrong. Everyone knows they didn't state explicitly that, but they certainly implied it, intentionally or no.

[ChocoFeru]

Then the problem is SE locked BLU skills behind those non-soloable dungeons.

Yes, that's a bad design, because people are just rushing them with a lv70 (like I did). I could do it with a full party of BLU, but still it would take too much effort.

SE also didn't state that BLU was meant to party up. But what they DID state was that, as you can clearly see in the above screenshot, that it was meant for solo play and wasn't designed for parties. They also stated that it was SO OVERPOWERED that it would break current content. Both of these things imply it is capable of soloing most or all content.

There's nothing to prove wrong. Everyone knows they didn't state explicitly that, but they certainly implied it, intentionally or no.

Solo play = Carnival. All we can "solo" right now is anything from the lv50 overworld and Carnival.

And yes, if BLU was lv70 it would break the content, like spamming Doom to a lv70 FATE or using Missile/Doom to clear super fast a dungeon. Not to mention that he will have Level5 Death at lv60. And no, they didn't imply you could solo an entire dungeon or a Primal EX, not at least at it's current state.

BLU is a long-term job and it's not fully "unlocked", because he's capped at lv50.
There's lot of room for improvement yet, but I like the idea and I hope some day it will catch up the res ob job's level.