Imma spill some glamour option tea a bit...

[KaivaC]

You know, after I made my initial post, I dipped out of this thread because for whatever reason, OP deemed it necessary to respond to my one little post 4 times, back-to-back. A bit excessive - could always just edit your post instead of, you know, responding multiple times and reposting your own comments (fun fact: you're gonna run out of post counts very quickly that way). Then I see this incredibly convoluted way that OP was going to get discord talk going. If anybody were to take you up on your offer, you could've...oh I dunno, edited the discord user name out. Trolls could easily just be blocked, and if it got excessive, you could always report people to Discord's team for that kind of thing. But I digress. Personally, no need to really have a private discord chat if this forum is doing a fine enough job of laying out individual point of views.

Sounds like a pain in the ass to get somebody's discord for a chat about glamour, to be honest.

[DevilsDontFly]

Honestly it bottles down to preference. I'm sorry that this is how you feel in regards to your options, but from my perspective it's the complete opposite. I feel like gear design that is aimed at female characters tends to be way more diverse and overall appealing. Us guys for the most part end up having a collection of dresses and poofy looking long skirts if we want to play as caster and most of the new added hairstyles are very feminine looking. And while I do understand the whole veteran reward thing, I think it's just because the veteran rewards are "protagonist only" sets and FF isn't known for having many female protagonists, sadly.

As far as mog station glamours go I'd say females have better options, especially when taking into consideration those korean and chinese outfits being slowly but surely added there. The females get fancy designs, the males get ugly kimonos that make even midlanders the size of a Roegadyn paired with even uglier hats. Also pants. Dudes have nothing put a collection of pants, and very, very rarely can use something that branches off that concept.

Just recently SE started to go for a more generalized approach, because up to Heavensward most of what we got would be a female only glamour option, and the supposed to be male counterpart would be unissex. Even Aymeric's hair isn't male only. (And I personally think it's stupid that females are required to buy a set they can't use to unlock a hair). So I understand your pain. I just feel like it's kinda bad overall for both genders, because sadly SE follows a aesthetic pattern of: Females = Collection of dresses and crop tops/ Males = Collection of pants and belts. And that ends up creating the whole "it's greener on the other side".

[Gemina]

Sure, if they give it the bunny outfit treatment and slap it as-is without any modifications. I'm not even talking about design changes so much as not making the chest parts look quite so much like bras. Which they understandably are for the women, but don't fit the men so much.

The iconic male glamours are not modified for females iirc, at least not the ones I have. So if they modified any of Tifa's outfits for males, I wouldn't even really consider it her outfit anymore at that point. Just something that resembles it, which you might already be able to do with our current options.

[Gemina]

But there is a massive difference between having more iconic outfits for males, and having just more general glams for females. The Thavnairian Bustier is most certainly not a replacement for something like Rinoa's outfit.

I don't even like most of the female locked outfits, but I'd love to have any of the outfits from the female counterparts of the male non-XIV characters we have. But sadly all we have is Lightning which is not a veteran reward so it must be bought from the Mog Station, and Yuna which is no longer available.

There is a very clear imbalance of how glams are targeted, towards both male and female characters. There should not be significantly more male representation for non-XIV characters, and glams in general should not favour female characters more. Both should be equal.

And please no one talk to me about how male outfits are more gender neutral so that's why we should get more male FF outfits than female. That's basically telling players who play female characters that they should be happy with hand-me-downs just because society says it's fine for a woman to wear men's clothing. I don't care if Squall's outfit looks good on a woman. I don't want to dress up like Squall. I want to dress up like Rinoa.

Gender locking should be abolished anyway. Let everyone wear whatever they want with whatever hairstyle they want. More cosmetic options is always a good thing.

I agree with everything except removing gender locking. I'll never be for this. As I said before, I am very traditional and prefer females to look like females, and males to look like males. Yes, I know there are a lot of unisex options out there already. I never really noticed an imbalance, likely because I see all the gripes about all the female glamour options and I only seek out female attire. But when it comes to iconic gear, like I told the previous poster, if they are modified for the opposite gender then I wouldn't really consider it a Squall or Cloud outfit anymore, and just something that resembles it. I would much rather them just release the iconic female outfits to make things fair.

[Awha]

I know you call yourself Princess, but let us keep our expectations in check not many people are going to jump through all those obstacles just to have a friendly conversation regarding glamour with you. Remember Princess expectations got to keep them realistic.

Personally I wish they would remove the gender locks all together or at the very least on mogstation glam. I am not going to lie the butlers tail coat would look awesome on females, and male roe would look glorious in the maid outfit, couple that with a body hair slider. End of the day gender locking seems archaic.

[Penthea]

I agree with everything except removing gender locking. I'll never be for this. As I said before, I am very traditional and prefer females to look like females, and males to look like males.

Fair enough that you have a preference but frankly the world is moving on from having a hard line between what is for boys and what is for girls. I don't really care what someone else wears. I only care that every player has equal choice of wardrobe and hairstyles regardless of gender.

Also there are already plenty of gear and hairstyle combos that can make characters look androgynous, yet the game isn't overrun with this. I seriously doubt removing gender locking would encourage a sudden rise cross-dressing or androgyny.

[Raikai]

Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

If you don't like to see females dressing as males, just don't be friends and or spend time with them, simple as that. As long as you respect people's choices, it's all good.

[BillyKaplan]

Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

One good argument in favor of keeping gender locks is that the lock enables the designers to focus on a specific aesthetic. Look at caster and healer unisex clothes - they all tend to lean towards the feminine. A lot of the heavier armors tend to lean towards the masculine. But if you take an outfit and gender lock it, it allows a modicum of ironic freedom in the design.
I personally think they should release variations in either direction for all roles and jobs (and not necessarily make everything feminine, or take masculine outfits and make them 'sexy' for the ladies if it's unisex), but I can see what people are getting at with this.

[SenorPatty]

Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

If you don't like to see females dressing as males, just don't be friends and or spend time with them, simple as that. As long as you respect people's choices, it's all good.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but it's all a matter of preference, simple as that. When it comes to glams and their aesthetics, you'll find that everyone has drawn different lines in the sand about it.

[Gemina]

Fair enough that you have a preference but frankly the world is moving on from having a hard line between what is for boys and what is for girls. I don't really care what someone else wears. I only care that every player has equal choice of wardrobe and hairstyles regardless of gender.

Also there are already plenty of gear and hairstyle combos that can make characters look androgynous, yet the game isn't overrun with this. I seriously doubt removing gender locking would encourage a sudden rise cross-dressing or androgyny.

I try to keep worldly affairs out of the forums (especially politics), and keep convos restricted to gaming, but I cannot deny how much of it bleeds into the game. A natural result, I concur. The world moving away from traditionalism is not a good thing, and it is now being resisted by those who wish to uphold these values. The streets are overrun by girly guys, and burly women; the MGTOW reaction/movement is stronger than ever and still picking up speed; the US birthrate is now lower than the level required to replenish, and single men are boycotting marriage because it is just too risky. And I don't blame them either.

I'm not even going to go as far as to blame modern feminism for this mess, but rather I believe this chaos we're currently living in is a result of cosmic male and female energies trying to restore the balance. IOW, the result of women suppressing their own femininity is overly emotional and effeminate males. This is just what I believe, of course. But before I head into a tangent, I brought all of this up because if gender restrictions were removed, trust me, you will see a rise in cross-dressing and androgynous avatars. That is based on the world moving away from traditionalism.