My Idea For Fixing Blue Mage

[Tint]

Fix something that isn't even released yet? I think we should at least see what the pros and cons are first hand before we go jumping to any conclusions.

We don't have to wait for the release, we already know that BLU is not what we wanted.

People wanted BLU as a new job, and they added BLU because of these people who were asking for it. But they don't add it as a job, they add it as a minigame. They targeted the wrong audience, regardless of how fun BLU might me.


And honestly: We knew before 4.0 release that the class changes for WHM and DRK would suck, we knew that the adding of Shirogane will be a mess, we knew that the greed-only loot rule in 24 man raids would not work, we knew months ahead that Eureka will just be another Diadem... We don't (always) have to wait for the release...

[Theodric]

BLU, in the form it is set to be implemented, is exactly what I wanted it to be.

[Blueyes]

BLU, in the form it is set to be implemented, is exactly what I wanted it to be.

What if I were to tell you that you could have had what you wanted without sacrificing access to content? It's not so far fetched of an idea as you might think.

[DamianFatale]

What if I were to tell you that you could have had what you wanted without sacrificing access to content? It's not so far fetched of an idea as you might think.

Agreed. Im starting to think people aren't against fixing problems like this in the game, but instead troll, because they are annoyed with fans talking about it in the forums. They seem to think that shutting us up, and derailing our threads is going to make it better for themselves, when it negates constructive discussion, and derails potential dialogue in the process.

[Lambdafish]

I'd like to agree with you, but the skills datamined provide a fairly balanced rotation, with the only thing pushing it into unbalanced being peculiar light being a 30% magic vuln (Seriously 30%). The rest of the abilities seem to form together to make a neat interesting rotation and skillset, so the question arises, if they do have this fairly balanced rotation (excluding peculiar light which could just be tuned down) why should it be exempt from stuff?

That's nice and all, but I'll believe it when I see it tomorrow. If that is the case then maybe we will get something nice for BLU later down the line in terms of raiding, but as of right now, the content that we have seems interesting. I am extremely skeptical about the devs unlocking BLU immediately, and I would rather they see how the player base takes to the job rather than putting it somewhere that it does not belong.

BLU is not what we wanted

Who is we? You talk like everyone thinks this way

[Reynhart]

Agreed. Im starting to think people aren't against fixing problems like this in the game, but instead troll, because they are annoyed with fans talking about it in the forums.

A problem is that lots of "fix" threads are simply "wishlist" threads. First, to have a fix, there has to be a problem, and you'd have a hard time finding a real consensus wether there's a problem or not, and if so, what is the problem.

And, like I said, your suggestions would not really fix anything regarding the reason why BLU is this way.

I'm personally more interested in a job that breaks the mold of FFXIV, even at the cost of being denied matchmaking. But I'm still puzzled why the MSQ is restricted...

[RukiaFae]

A problem is that lots of "fix" threads are simply "wishlist" threads. First, to have a fix, there has to be a problem, and you'd have a hard time finding a real consensus wether there's a problem ornot, and if so, what is the problem.

And, like I said, your suggestions would not really fix anything regarding the reason why BLU is this way.

I'm personally more interested in a job that breaks the mold of FFXIV, even at the cost of being denied matchmaking. But I'm still puzzled why the MSQ is restricted...

My guess on the story part is because right now you really wouldn't have much story to complete. You can't unlock the job until you finish 2.0 so you could only do 2.1 to 2.5 story until the cap is increased. So that may change when it is increased to lvl 60

[Reynhart]

My guess on the story part is because right now you really wouldn't have much story to complete.

Sure, but you don't really have to make a system specific for BLU at that point. The first level 51 quests will be marked red simply because your job won't be lvl 51. It's also the same for Squadrons...you won't enter HW dungeons with your squadron, like you wouldn't if you decide to take a low level job.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

- Make Blue Mage queable for any of the three roles.
- Categorize each ability by its role typings.
- Require enough abilities in a certain role to go into instanced content. I.e. basic healing abilities, aggro abilities, and dps abilities. The number required would go up by the content level.
- Further categorize the abilities by labeling each one for its power. Extremely OP skills that are abusable in duty finder would be banned, or limited in the number that they can be used.
- When you choose a role, your icon color changes to reflect that role.
- By the time you reach level 60-80 you would have enough varied abilities for each role. It would still be a highly customizable job.
- Obviously in undersized instances, and non instanced content, you could do whatever you wanted with what is available to you.

Thoughts?

You could simplify it even further.

To queue for a specific role you must have certain specific abilities learned and equipped. When the queue pops if you've changed those abilities since queuing it won't let enter (just like if you changed jobs).

Basically SE would need to standardize what skills are required for each role in each level bracket.

Example:

To queue as a healer in the lvl 70 bracket you'd minimally need: Small Single Target Cast Time Heal, Big Single Target Cast Time Heal, AoE Cast Time Heal, Instant Single Target Heal Cooldown, Instant AoE Heal Cooldown

That's the basic package for all the other healers. The only issue I can see is role skills, but they could always let blue mage have access to them all (still limiting the number they can equip).

[Aurturia]

We don't have to wait for the release, we already know that BLU is not what we wanted.

People wanted BLU as a new job, and they added BLU because of these people who were asking for it. But they don't add it as a job, they add it as a minigame. They targeted the wrong audience, regardless of how fun BLU might me.


And honestly: We knew before 4.0 release that the class changes for WHM and DRK would suck, we knew that the adding of Shirogane will be a mess, we knew that the greed-only loot rule in 24 man raids would not work, we knew months ahead that Eureka will just be another Diadem... We don't (always) have to wait for the release...

We also all knew that blue mage was never going to work as a proper job in this game, no other job gets any sort of customization because that's just how the balance is built in this game. The real problem of blue being op was never going to be a single spell like death, it's finding the combination of skills to maximize personal damage and group utility. Imagine black mage damage with bard utility and a tank stance that lets you eat just enough damage to possibly skip a mechanic. This is the reason you can't customize, especially from such a large pool of skills. My example may be a bit exaggerated, yoshi's death example was too, but the point stands. The balance of this game won't allow blue mage that sort of customization.