Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Hamada]

Considering I wasn't item level to do it with a pug, kind of a moot point. Either way I'd consider it proven that an undergeared tank who knows how to play can handle it quite easily. But you're taking my comment out of context. OP asked if it was wrong to go into Castrum Abania in 272. There is not a required item level so it seems to me that SE is OK with you entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear you're in when you unlock it, and provided an example where I was very undergeared myself but still able to complete content. Now if you want to claim "only in that party" - OK, fair enough, but it can't really be proven one way or the other.

I would bet SE would not expect people to act in this manner. I am on the side of cultural differences here. It is clearly an oversight when you can enter with high ilevel right side, low left, meet the ilevel requrement, then get oneshoted left and right because you lack hp. Sorry there is nothing out of context here. If you are going to pull out "can't really be proven one way or the other." then I can do the same thing to you. You can't prove " it seems to me that SE is OK with you entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear you're in when you unlock it," I do not care if you think SE is ok with people coming to a dungeon in gear they have little to no hope of helping the group progress. You assume wrong, it is an oversight due to cultural differences, do not assume.

Oh hey, this thread's still around..

So you skipped my last post because you ignore posts that defeat your position? that is nice. I am glad you are siding it is wrong to enter 272 in this place as a tank now. I already commented and explained why this post was wrong in the past, why are you doing it again? Do not post if you have nothing new to add to the conversation. All you are doing is restating your biased anecdotes because you do not want to admit being wrong undergearing in dungeons. Gearing EX trial in 380 is not the same as Abania at i270. Abania at i270 is gimp, Gearing EX trial in 380 is over gear, please learn the difference and stop misinforming people.

Like nestama said, we are not denying it can't be done. What we are against is gearing like that in pugs, esp as tank, Just because you know how to play and you know how to pass this place in i270 does not mean others can. This is a team effort, not your self.

"Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272"
Yes it is wrong, esp in a pug, that simple.

It is amazing to see people asking to "prepare" for a lvl 69 duty you will do just one or two times before reach 70 and forget its existence then.And I consider this "preparation" the real waste of time and (maybe?) loss of fun. If I want to "prepare" for something, I'll do that for lvl 70 content I want challenge. Maybe savages and latest ex primals. But not a lvl 69 leveling duty.

Really, some people treat everything as savage content... that's fine, if you like do that, but don't force everyone to your standards. Shire gear up to 70 is perfectly fine for any casual player.

No it is not, also simply saying "shire gear" implies the 260 variant, that would most likely lead to a kick from them being a burden to the group. We really need entry requirements for everything, this thread is proof of it. My guess is SE felt it was not needed and thought the player base could handle themselves, maybe for the Japanese player base, but clearly the NA/EU player base is a different matter.

[whiskeybravo]

I would bet SE would not expect people to act in this manner. I am on the side of cultural differences here. It is clearly an oversight when you can enter with high ilevel right side, low left, meet the ilevel requrement, then get oneshoted left and right because you lack hp. Sorry there is nothing out of context here. If you are going to pull out "can't really be proven one way or the other." then I can do the same thing to you. You can't prove " it seems to me that SE is OK with you entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear you're in when you unlock it," I do not care if you think SE is ok with people coming to a dungeon in gear they have little to no hope of helping the group progress. You assume wrong, it is an oversight due to cultural differences, do not assume.

There are numerous examples of SE not expecting their players to do a lot of things their players have done. Not sure how culture has anything to do with it, for example, I'm sure players on both sides of the pond used lv60 STR accessories on tanks at SB launch due to SE's oversight. Common sense isn't culturally restricted..

Again taking a comment out of context, what I said about "can't be proven" was in relation to joining random DF group to test my undergeared WAR alt. It is an actual limitation since it didn't meet requirements to join. I can't prove it. But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth. The whole concept of being on a "team" is predicated on the idea that we are stronger by working together. Sure, every player would like to be on a "super team" with all the best players around them but that's just not how team games work, it's not how the world works. It's a responsibility of the more capable players to carry a larger burden and bring the team to victory.

[Nestama]

But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth.

By that logic, it's perfectly fine to enter Castrum Abania in level 1 glamour gear. The dungeon isn't gonna stop you like the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons, after all.
Most people, specifically in PuGs, don't enjoy the feeling of carrying someone to victory. Especially if that victory involves an Extreme Trial and mounts in the loot pool. It sucks when you're one of the few people who do everything right and carry the group (with two-six others) and then lose out on a roll for the mount when someone who KO'd 5+ times gets it (it almost feels like a pyramid scheme).

[Hamada]

By that logic, it's perfectly fine to enter Castrum Abania in level 1 glamour gear. The dungeon isn't gonna stop you like the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons, after all.
Most people, specifically in PuGs, don't enjoy the feeling of carrying someone to victory. Especially if that victory involves an Extreme Trial and mounts in the loot pool. It sucks when you're one of the few people who do everything right and carry the group (with two-six others) and then lose out on a roll for the mount when someone who KO'd 5+ times gets it (it almost feels like a pyramid scheme).

I am glad you spelled that out for him because I did make that same reply, though in a more convoluted manner because I was hoping they could think for a bit. Clearly I was wrong, since that point got ignored and laughed it off by saying "Oh yea, those 15k tankbusters are brutal." well you are not going to have 15k HP wearing lv 1 gear are you?

[Ilan]

There are numerous examples of SE not expecting their players to do a lot of things their players have done. Not sure how culture has anything to do with it, for example, I'm sure players on both sides of the pond used lv60 STR accessories on tanks at SB launch due to SE's oversight. Common sense isn't culturally restricted..

Again taking a comment out of context, what I said about "can't be proven" was in relation to joining random DF group to test my undergeared WAR alt. It is an actual limitation since it didn't meet requirements to join. I can't prove it. But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth. The whole concept of being on a "team" is predicated on the idea that we are stronger by working together. Sure, every player would like to be on a "super team" with all the best players around them but that's just not how team games work, it's not how the world works. It's a responsibility of the more capable players to carry a larger burden and bring the team to victory.

So its ok when i que up for leveling without armor, just level 1 glamour, and with just a level 1 weapon, right? Because thats what i can do and since the DF allows it.

I really can't believe how stubborn and unreasonable some people are in this game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

There are numerous examples of SE not expecting their players to do a lot of things their players have done. Not sure how culture has anything to do with it, for example, I'm sure players on both sides of the pond used lv60 STR accessories on tanks at SB launch due to SE's oversight. Common sense isn't culturally restricted..

Again taking a comment out of context, what I said about "can't be proven" was in relation to joining random DF group to test my undergeared WAR alt. It is an actual limitation since it didn't meet requirements to join. I can't prove it. But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth. The whole concept of being on a "team" is predicated on the idea that we are stronger by working together. Sure, every player would like to be on a "super team" with all the best players around them but that's just not how team games work, it's not how the world works. It's a responsibility of the more capable players to carry a larger burden and bring the team to victory.

I'mma leave this here: friendly reminder once again...

Guess I belong!