Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Rokke]

I'm a BIS paladin with full Omega gear and quite honestly I'm embarrassed by the toxic attitude some players have been expressing here. I'm part of a transinclusive lgbt friendly MLP discord server that helps people with disabilities and other conditions clear savage. I for one am glad that they are quarantining you toxic players to aether so that crystal can become the best most inclusive raid data center.

If you think you could use mine, or my discord friends help progressing in content feel free to add me on discord my tag is Lorgana#7580

dang got me hook, line, and sinker. gg

[Lorgana]

The discord is also called Crystal Raiders, top quality server.

Wholesome fun.

[kikix12]

Sure i was getting hit a bit hard but 10 ilvl difference between end game gears surely doesn't make it sooo terrible that it warrants harassing me over it and then blaming me for their own shortcomings in terms of doing the mechanics right?

Nothing warrants harassment. But the difference IS huge. Don't compare item levels, compare stats. Item level is merely a small pointer that is repeatedly losing value due to the stat bloat. That's natural in this sort of game progression.

I am a veteran of this game and i know how to play and whats fair and whats not IN MY OWN OPINION, but i guess i am coming to the forums to look for a little reassurance and get other peoples views on this situation as well.

I did that dungeon on accident as Warrior with Augmented Shire plus three or four higher pieces from the dungeons I got on the way. The first thing I did when I saw the dungeon was to apologize to the party that I'll make it a bit more difficult than it should have been, then I went as haywire defensive as I could to ease it up (though I did use Deliverance during times the bosses were not a threat). I lost a mob maybe twice, neither time for long and I never died. But I felt really bad all the same. I could FEEL being undergeared as a tank. I main healer so I can see the difference as a tank and I know that I was dying way too fast. And as a healer I know that if I had to heal myself I would be pushed to up my game as well.

So yes. That item level is low for that dungeon. The difference is significant. It's doable, but only a good healer can cope up with it throughout the whole dungeon. And the last boss can really cause some serious pain, especially if the fight drags on. That's probably why the healer attacked. If the fight was taking too long the boss would simply overbuff himself and wipe you out anyway. If not only you but one of the DPS were such low level, the boss would be a drudge.

That's the third part. You may know how to play your class, but that doesn't mean you know the nuances of tanking as well as you think. That fight have soft enrage, pretty severe for leveling dungeons. It is important to bring in the damage or the difficulty of it goes up fast. That is also part of what a tank (and every other player as well) should know.


Once again, nothing excuses harassment. But as for the question "is it bad to run castrum abania at 272" the answer is definitely yes. That is undergeared for that dungeon and requires compensation from other players to get through. It's one thing if you admit to that mistake, it's another thing entirely if you get defensive and try to push the responsibility away from you as this post suggests.

[Penthea]

I think my message is pretty clear don’t you?

Your message is about being nice and I agree with such a message...but this thread isn't about being nice. It's about gear relating to tanks.

Unless you think part of being nice is ignoring when someone is knowingly doing something to make others needlessly work harder, when they could easily prevent it. Sorry but that's not being nice, that's enabling selfishness. Enabling negative behaviour through lack of action or in a manner that validates it achieves the opposite of "nice".

I have a lot of patience for novices or anyone learning something. I make allowances for mistakes because no one is perfect. I rarely leave groups or vote kick. The last time I left a group was months ago. I always give people the benefit of the doubt unless I'm shown otherwise.

But I have very little patience for people who use others as a crutch for their laziness. I don't assume every badly geared player is selfish or lazy, I tend to think that maybe they're unaware of the impact of their gear. But if they say something like "do your job and my gear won't matter" or "I cba to gear until I'm 70" when someone points out their easily fixed bad gear, then I lose my patience with them. I have no time for someone who can easily do better but chooses not to at the expense of others.

I feel that my time is better spent supporting a lesser skilled player who is trying their best than a good player who allows themselves to be carried.

I'm a BIS paladin with full Omega gear and quite honestly I'm embarrassed by the toxic attitude some players have been expressing here. I'm part of a transinclusive lgbt friendly MLP discord server that helps people with disabilities and other conditions clear savage.

This is a very nice thing to read and it is admirable that you are part of such a friendly community.

I completely agree that the toxic attitude by some in the forums is unpleasant and disappointing to see. But the majority of the posts in this thread have not been toxic. Honestly if you think this thread is toxic then you haven't been reading any relating to parsers. The words exchanged there make this thread look like an episode of My Little Pony.

A lot of people were blunt regarding what they said about people like OP, but for the most part they were not toxic. Something isn't automatically toxic just because it shows a truth not everyone likes to read. If OP had been putting in the basic effort into his gear that he knew he should have been doing, well this thread wouldn't exist.

[MoroMurasaki]

I don't know anymore whether the best part of this thread is the code and subtext or the people who aren't seeing it :thinking:

[WaterShield]

I don't know anymore whether the best part of this thread is the code and subtext or the people who aren't seeing it :thinking:

Definitely the people who aren't seeing it.

[Nestama]

Disagree, because all my experience points toward it working out just fine. Again, maybe you're just bad. :/

Mate, doubling down on this not looking good for you. I get that it sucks that it looks like everyone is against you (uphill battle), but this is something you are wrong on and have to accept. Being in Shire gear in a Level 69 dungeon is putting more pressure on the healer and DPS. Healer has to focus on only healing (the tank) and DPS have to do everything they can to avoid taking hate, which is rough on Jobs like BLM and SAM (I pretty much wasn't allowed to use Midare, since I would most likely rip hate if it was a Direct Critical).

It is bad to still be in i270 gear (and more so bad to say it's perfectly fine. That's enabling bad sportsmanship. Most people do not enjoy carrying someone roleplaying as a potato sack), as that stuff is intended for level 61-63 dungeons. It's somewhat okay to be in level 65-68 gear in level 69 dungeon, though.

[Lorgana]

I don't know anymore whether the best part of this thread is the code and subtext or the people who aren't seeing it :thinking:

Idk what you mean.

Regardless, we need to secure the idea that the forum is a safe place in the future for our fellow FFXIV to express their opinons regardless of their ethnicity (white/black/etc) sexual orientation or STD status. Youth of today are far too passionate about some things and honestly I could go on a rant about how 88/100 players are terrible at the game but you need to give them a chance to learn.

Sure people shouldn't be tanking in this dungeon in that kind of gear, you should have picked up some along the way. But you know what honestly? I tanked that dungeon in Alexander savage gear because I had an emotional connection to that tier and the gear I earned from it. None of that held me back so?...you know what. As long as people aren't dying let them play how they want to.

[Fynlar]

So by your own admission you had enough runs, that drop a guaranteed piece at the end of each run in your inventory, to easily not be 272. That's IF you got zero gear from any chest or boss drop in those runs (unlikely).

You're just being lazy and incompetent by not equipping them.

It really does seem like you're trolling at this point

The first time I ran Abania though, I didn't have any Abania pieces of gear (obviously)

If I listened to what most people in this thread are saying though, I shouldn't have even went in Abania in the first place, because I very well probably was still around i272 the first time (with one, maybe two pieces each of Bardam and Doma gear from clearing the dungeons once for story).

And no, it's not like I just never put better pieces of dungeon gear on. I said that I did, at least twice. Maybe you're just not reading my posts intentionally so you can try to say that I'm trolling? Which, ironically enough, is a common trolling technique. Just saying

Mate, doubling down on this not looking good for you. I get that it sucks that it looks like everyone is against you (uphill battle), but this is something you are wrong on and have to accept. Being in Shire gear in a Level 69 dungeon is putting more pressure on the healer and DPS. Healer has to focus on only healing (the tank) and DPS have to do everything they can to avoid taking hate, which is rough on Jobs like BLM and SAM (I pretty much wasn't allowed to use Midare, since I would most likely rip hate if it was a Direct Critical).

One, I'm not wrong (all my own experiences point otherwise on this), and two, I really don't care how good or bad it looks, I only care if something is correct or not.

Consider that a triple down if you like.

No, I wasn't losing hate in i270 gear, either. Maybe you would starting in the level 70 dungeon because people can start overgearing it, but in Abania? If you're losing hate at i270, you're just a bad tank; that's got nothing to do with gear.

It's somewhat okay to be in level 65-68 gear in level 69 dungeon, though.

"Somewhat okay"? Right.

Apparently it's only perfectly okay for you to run content already wearing the best stuff said content can drop.

Your entitledness is showing.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

The pissing contests aside - do know that at least one tank in training is has taken note of the gear scores listed here and will be taking them under advisement when I pick up my axe and start working my way back up the ladder in the coming weeks.

As a healer main, I'm more than familiar with how a Tank's gear and performance can tax a healer's mental stress. And I intend to keep things as easy on my healers as possible. This is a group effort, yes?