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  1. #81
    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    I'm starting to think that's your go-to response to anything you deem as less than optimal. (Hint: it kinda loses its meaning when used that way.)
    Just like your go-to response of a black and white "100% optimal" or "burden to the party" loses its meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    And yet despite all your numbers, I wasn't getting my ass kicked in these dungeons. Maybe it's because... *gasp* the dungeons aren't that difficult and the numbers don't actually mean as much as you think they might?

    The DEF stat really doesn't make as huge of a difference as many of you are blowing it up to be (and I'm pretty sure that this at least partially accounts for me not getting my ass kicked tanking these dungeons in i270 like people here insist I must have been).
    It’s hard for me to take the word of someone who acts the way you do and who basically told Ultimate players to git gud at face value. Apologies.
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    Just like your go-to response of a black and white "100% optimal" or "burden to the party" loses its meaning.
    Pretty sure that was your own argument, not mine. And yes, it does come off as very black and white; thanks for pointing that out so I didn't have to.


    It’s hard for me to take the word of someone who acts the way you do and who basically told Ultimate players to git gud at face value. Apologies.
    If you think Abania is challenging to the point that you will look down at someone who's running it in i270, I pretty much don't care if you've cleared Ultimate or not; that's still pretty sad, and in my book is very much deserving of a git gud. Apologies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 12-18-2018 at 01:13 AM.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Pretty sure that was your own argument, not mine. And yes, it does come off as very black and white; thanks for pointing that out so I didn't have to.
    Your strawman relies on that being my argument. Too bad it isn't.

    i270 isn't "not optimal." It's burdensome. It's lackadaisical to not take any gear upgrades afforded to you and proudly strut into the final leveling dungeon in the previous expansion's final tier gear.
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    i270 isn't "not optimal." It's burdensome.
    Disagree, because all my experience points toward it working out just fine. Again, maybe you're just bad. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    This is why we need ilvl locks.
    Min ilvl or min def requirements for tanks. One of the two. Especially when free gear is literally thrown at you while leveling.

    IIRC Rift had those where you had to have a minimum stat to enter certain dungeons.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    If you think Abania is challenging to the point that you will look down at someone who's running it in i270, I pretty much don't care if you've cleared Ultimate or not; that's still pretty sad, and in my book is very much deserving of a git gud. Apologies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Honey, there's only one person looking down on others here, and it's not me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Disagree, because all my experience points toward it working out just fine. Again, maybe you're just bad. :/
    Important PSA everyone: personal anecdotes trump numbers.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 12-18-2018 at 01:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    If you think Abania is challenging to the point that you will look down at someone who's running it in i270, I pretty much don't care if you've cleared Ultimate or not; that's still pretty sad, and in my book is very much deserving of a git gud. Apologies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Git considerate?

    No apologies.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Honey, there's only one person looking down on others here, and it's not me.
    I disagree - I'm also looking down on him.
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  9. #89
    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Disagree, because all my experience points toward it working out just fine. Again, maybe you're just bad. :/
    Or maybe you're just blissfully unaware of how bad you get carried.
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    Git considerate?
    I'll be considerate when I feel people are deserving of it. So far, not many participants in the thread have demonstrated that; they've only demonstrated a willingness to attack something that they think does not work.


    Or maybe you're just blissfully unaware of how bad you get carried.
    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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