A question for the BLU peeps

[jon041065]

That's still what I don't understand. We don't have BLU in the game yet, and we know nothing about how it will evolve in the future. If BLU reach lvl80 not far after the release of SH, the time locked at lvl50 will mean nothing in the long run.

We don't know for sure what will come of blu in the future but we did get an explanation of their design choices and it's not likely to change unless there is enough pushback. Not many on our side are concerned with the five months or so of blu being capped at 50.

One hit kill are not the only spells that would break the balance in the hand of a DPS. The trinity is too restrictive for a truthful to be implemented.

I do wish they had used rdm or blu to push the limits of the trinity system or just break away from it but not everyone agrees that blue mage wouldn't have worked inside the the trinity system. Mostly due to not having tied blu's identity into what the spells have done in some past FF game but in what they felt like to use. Spells that felt similar would be accepted by us.

I sure hope, and I'll try to post that question the next time a "ask your question" topic is created for a Live Letter. But I understand why they would do it that way. Breaking the mold with a side content is easier than changing everything.

I feel there would have been far less backlash if they had tried to break the mold in that direction. Expanding systems instead of limiting. Yes it is easier and that's again why our side feels they backed off from the challenge instead of trying something drastically different.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

I think everyone is missing the main point. Its not about balance. Its about the fact you can't guarantee a BLU will have the skills they need to do content in this holy trinity system. So the BLU could gimp groups.

[Mholito]

It's true we won't know anything for sure until several patches into 5.X, but we do know these two things:
1) If a BLU meets the level requirements, they can enter any instance (other than Palace of the Dead and PVP) as long as they're in a pre-made group.
2) The devs have been adamant that they don't want BLU to be involved in endgame content.

Unless one of these two things changes, it's safe to assume that BLU will never reach the same level cap as the rest of the jobs.

I expect them to simply prevent BLU from entering duties in the High-end section. That way, they won't ruin the difficulty of the content that's actually supposed to be difficult, but can participate in nearly everything else.

[Reinha]

I think everyone is missing the main point. Its not about balance. Its about the fact you can't guarantee a BLU will have the skills they need to do content in this holy trinity system. So the BLU could gimp groups.

There is a way to guarantee it.

[Reynhart]

There is a way to guarantee it.

How will you guarantee that I have exactly the 24 skills that the rest of the party want between the 49 I'm free to choose from ?

[Reinha]

How will you guarantee that I have exactly the 24 skills that the rest of the party want between the 49 I'm free to choose from ?

By requiring that you unlock every skill before entering the instance or queuing for a roulette, and by letting you swap skills when out of combat like you could swap role skills.

[HorseBoots]

I think everyone is missing the main point. Its not about balance. Its about the fact you can't guarantee a BLU will have the skills they need to do content in this holy trinity system. So the BLU could gimp groups.

That's already an issue with players and classes in the game already. Take for example.... Bard and all of the abilities Bard gains through it's job quests. (To quickly make my point, FYI all 3 of bards songs that they are meant to rotate through to even properly follow its rotation are unlocked via job quests.) Now, also remember that in the game right now, about three weeks away from patch 4.5, there is nothing in place that doesn't stop a lazy bard who couldn't have been bothered to do their job quests and thus lack just about all of their job abilities, from queuing into your expert roulette at this very moment.

There was nothing in place to prevent the MCH with a level 55 gun to just queue into my run of Shisui, a level 63 dungeon. This happened last week.

So miss me with that poor argument. Going out of your way to make sure you properly learned your abilities is literally part of the job description. And just like any job in real life, if someone is failing follow through with their duties I have every right to remove them.

[AxlStream]

That's already an issue with players and classes in the game already. Take for example.... Bard and all of the abilities Bard gains through it's job quests. (To quickly make my point, FYI all 3 of bards songs that they are meant to rotate through to even properly follow its rotation are unlocked via job quests.) Now, also remember that in the game right now, about three weeks away from patch 4.5, there is nothing in place that doesn't stop a lazy bard who couldn't have been bothered to do their job quests and thus lack just about all of their job abilities, from queuing into your expert roulette at this very moment.

There was nothing in place to prevent the MCH with a level 55 gun to just queue into my run of Shisui, a level 63 dungeon. This happened last week.

So miss me with that poor argument. Going out of your way to make sure you properly learned your abilities is literally part of the job description. And just like any job in real life, if someone is failing follow through with their duties I have every right to remove them.

But the system actually prevents a Warrior with just Heavy Swing to do roulettes with you. Yes, he can just use Heavy Swing, nothing physically stops him from doing that but his leveling process guarantees he atleast gets a decent chunk of his abilities. But a BLU learning actions from other monsters he needs to fight means it could be possible to become a level 50 BLU with only the base level 1 skill.

[Reynhart]

By requiring that you unlock every skill before entering the instance or queuing for a roulette, and by letting you swap skills when out of combat like you could swap role skills.

But what makes you think that the skills the party choose for me are better that the ones I chose ? Will you let me equip 49 skills to avoid any drama...like you can equip every role skill at all now ?

And why should I have to unlock every skill to join a low level instance while every other job would only have the skills tied to its sync lvl ? And while other are not required to do every job quest, even though doing them requires no RNG at all ?
If Tsukuyomi taught me a new skill, would I be restricted to enter Deltas/Sigmascape even though I could enter before ?

[Reinha]

But what makes you think that the skills the party choose for me are better that the ones I chose ? Will you let me equip 49 skills to avoid any drama...like you can equip every role skill at all now ?

And why should I have to unlock every skill to join a low level instance while every other job would only have the skills tied to its sync lvl ? And while other are not required to do every job quest, even though doing them requires no RNG at all ?
If Tsukuyomi taught me a new skill, would I be restricted to enter Deltas/Sigmascape even though I could enter before ?

The party doesn't control your character and choose your skills, role skills, completed job quests, consumables, rotation or gear. Those are what differentiate a good player from the bad. They can just choose to play with you or kick you.

Requiring you to unlock all skills is one solution to the question you presented, but it's not the only one. The game could just as well not require that (just as it doesn't require job quests), or only require some skills. As long as one could change skills out of combat a good player could shine by making good skill choices in place of a perfectly executed rotation. If it were a requirement to unlock some mandatory skills, consider it a consequence of it being a Limited Job. It would be much better for DF to be gated behind getting some skills than not being able to use DF at all.

To answer the last question, I suppose newly introduced skills would not gate content released prior to that patch. Also, introducing new skills in recent extreme fights would be a great way to make BLU closer to an Advanced Job. I'd find it very fun!