DPS Job Rankings & Stats

[Zerathor]

Actually, yes they are.

FINAL FANTASY XIV User Agreement:
"2.5 Data Mining.
You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorised third party software."

That SE mostly do not care if people are using parsers is another matter. They are still against the rules.

Being that the data it uses is already directly available to you without any 3rd party program, this data is not being collected. You are not breaking through the game to find and collect data that isn't put into your logs.

Thus the program is not intercepting, mining, or collecting information. It's information you already have stored being used.

[Kitfox]

Being that the data it uses is already directly available to you without any 3rd party program, this data is not being collected. You are not breaking through the game to find and collect data that isn't put into your logs.

Thus the program is not intercepting, mining, or collecting information. It's information you already have stored being used.

The most common parser actually does a lot more than just reads the chat log and is most definitely against the ToS.

[Zerathor]

The most common parser actually does a lot more than just reads the chat log and is most definitely against the ToS.

It uses the log that the game itself stores in your documents. It's nothing you couldn't do on your own, it only does it in live time.

[Nemekh]

It uses the log that the game itself stores in your documents. It's nothing you couldn't do on your own, it only does it in live time.

This is entirely false. It's reading game memory for the in-game chat log while also looking at network packet data.

[Zerathor]

This is entirely false. It's reading game memory for the in-game chat log while also looking at network packet data.

I'd heard otherwise somewhere, but I know you actually work in that so I believe you. But what data does it obtain that isn't actually available to the player? Granted it obtains the data in a much more direct fashion, but it seems like information relayed to the player either way. excluding what various other pluggins can make it do.

[Nemekh]

I can't really go into specific depth and detail, however, net data sent to the client contains information that isn't necessarily used nor rendered (especially numerically) by the client in any fashion. In particular for snapshots of actions and statuses including actor source, target actor and attributes of what's about to be done. It's the basis behind how triggers using net data work and how things can be discerned well in advance before a mechanic needs to be resolved correctly because the message is sent before things are actually confirmed in-game by the server and client.

[MistakeNot]

Being that the data it uses is already directly available to you without any 3rd party program, this data is not being collected. You are not breaking through the game to find and collect data that isn't put into your logs.

Thus the program is not intercepting, mining, or collecting information. It's information you already have stored being used.

It doesn't matter how it collects the data. Even if it is collecting the data by reading the chat log, it is still collecting data and hence not allowed according to SE's rules.

[Shiroe]

than SE should just make a ffffing parser, more legal, more stable, more custumable and especially also for PS4 (!) players...

and SE can have its own legal SE fflogs site (with more aesthetics than the usual fflogs),.. where you can upload only your personal dps logs, OR full party logs, only (!) if every one in the group give they're consent

SE can make them for free (just buy something from the mog-station for a minum of 5$ and get the "personal dps parser"; buy for 10$ and get a "party dps parser"..)

[Zerathor]

SE can make them for free (just buy something from the mog-station for a minum of 5$ and get the "personal dps parser"; buy for 10$ and get a "party dps parser"..)

SE now sees the free money opportunity, it'll be on mogstation in a week. $30 to have your dps hidden from other's premium party dps tracker.

[Jollyy5]

If there are one or two players in an EX primal group who are severely under performing, it would be incredibly difficult to tell why those adds aren't dying fast enough, or why we just can't to seem to beat this enrage timer if it wasn't for a parser. While we do have Stone, Sky, Sea, it's an incredibly unhelpful tool for gauging raid performance, and it's not even mandatory.

So yeah, people might get kicked from an EX primal group because someone using a parser was able to see they aren't carrying their weight, but what else are we supposed to do? Carry them?


But to stay on topic: Don't worry about people who use parser unless they downright insult you. They may tell you that you have to be replaced because your DPS is half of that of the other DPS and so you don't make the cut, which is not harassment since you can't really expect anyone to carry you as it wouldn't be fair towards everyone else in the group.

There's nothing wrong with the tool, it can't hurt you, just the people who use it can.