A question for the BLU peeps

[Gemina]

I think you didn't even read the article you linked. Not only did you use the wrong idiom, but you are also entirely incorrect.

You can fit a square peg in a round hole, and a round peg in a square hole. The peg simply needs to be small enough. It will not fit perfectly though, leaving spots "free". That is why it is an idiom about society. People not suited to some sort of society due to cultural, ideological or religious reasons still can (and do) live in it, but they never really "fit in" properly.

OMG, what? Are you also the type of person to deny facts such as evolution, human influenced climate change, and the Earth being round? Several times now you come here challenging my statements saying I don't know what I'm talking about when all evidence shows the opposite. There's no variable here explaining how large or small the peg is. If you've ever done a logic puzzle, or any kind of conclusive reasoning you would know that thinking about anything other than the facts given only serves to over complicate it.

"Square peg in a round hole" is an idiomatic expression which describes the unusual individualist who could not fit into a niche of their society.

Now let me modify this a bit to exhibit the point that has clearly flown over your head:

"Square peg in a round hole" is an idiomatic expression which describes the unusual individualist (BLU) who could not fit into a niche of their society (Duty finder).

If you think about this in anything more than the context given, then I can't be faulted if you simply don't get it.

The use of this idiom that you presented is a modern take from people that were simply ignorant of its true meaning and butchered it up.

Who's butchering up an idiom when they start talking about, "OH! but a square peg CAN fit if it's smaller than the round hole"? It's some real SJW agenda type mentalities that actually take something and redefine it to serve their agenda.

[kikix12]

OMG, what? Are you also the type of person to deny facts such as evolution, human influenced climate change, and the Earth being round?

No, partially (humans affect climate, but climate changes naturally to a far greater degree), no.

There's no universal "one size fits all".

Several times now you come here challenging my statements saying I don't know what I'm talking about when all evidence shows the opposite.

I think you have a very severe memory issue.

In all my life I did respond to you directly three times going by post search. This one, one time in a thread over two months ago (and did mention you another time there, but didn't respond to you) and twelve and a half months ago. Once I argued your use of the word antiquated, once discussed a button bloat topic.

On the other hand, what evidence shows the opposite?! Again, the very people that "don't fit society" still exist within it in some form. How then, tell me, does that apply to Blue Mage that have no access to Duty Finder at all?

That being said, again, Blue Mage cannot be used in Duty Finder, but it is possible to make it usable without actually changing anything outside of it.

There's no variable here explaining how large or small the peg is. If you've ever done a logic puzzle, or any kind of conclusive reasoning you would know that thinking about anything other than the facts given only serves to over complicate it.

That's the problem here. You are the one adding to the facts.

"Square peg in a round hole" is the idiom, right?! Where, do tell, does it say that it doesn't fit?! I see that it is IN the hole. It is a fundamental difference, because your 'doesn't fit' is at best implied, at worst just an overactive imagination. Or do you need me to bring in the definition of 'in' to you now?!

Who's butchering up an idiom when they start talking about, "OH! but a square peg CAN fit if it's smaller than the round hole"?

Well...the one that's giving it different meanings, of course. Language is ever-changing, but idioms are idioms for a reason. Idioms shouldn't change, otherwise they stop being idioms and become personal sayings at most. The part about fitting in does not exist in the idiom. The idiom only talks about the peg that's a different geometrical shape than a hole, being in it. Which means that it simply does not match it properly. There is nowhere in sight, neither in the idiom itself nor in its original meaning, anything implying that it's meant to mean that you cannot put a square peg in a round hole. At all.

[Beckett]

There is nowhere in sight, neither in the idiom itself nor in its original meaning, anything implying that it's meant to mean that you cannot put a square peg in a round hole. At all.

The full idiom is literally, "You can't fit a square peg in a round hole."

I definitely disagree with calling a BLU a square peg that can't fit into the round hole of XIV's group content, but I'm sorry, you're just straight up wrong about the meaning of the phrase.

[kikix12]

The full idiom is literally, "You can't fit a square peg in a round hole."

I definitely disagree with calling a BLU a square peg that can't fit into the round hole of XIV's group content, but I'm sorry, you're just straight up wrong about the meaning of the phrase.

No. That's how people modify it, it's not the idiom. The idiom is literally just 'square peg in a round hole', alternatively 'round peg in a square hole'. It is used specifically for people.

Dictionary.com
Collins
Wikipedia
Merriam

Idioms are specific. If you add stuff to them, they stop being idioms. Sure, some people do say "you can't fit a square peg in a round hole", but as I said, it is the modern interpretation of people too ignorant of the actual meaning behind the idiom they try to use. And unlike is the case with definitions of words, idioms cannot evolve. Only be forgotten and new ones made.

[Beckett]

No. That's how people modify it, it's not the idiom. The idiom is literally just 'square peg in a round hole', alternatively 'round peg in a square hole'. It is used specifically for people.

Dictionary.com
Collins
Wikipedia
Merriam

Idioms are specific. If you add stuff to them, they stop being idioms. Sure, some people do say "you can't fit a square peg in a round hole", but as I said, it is the modern interpretation of people too ignorant of the actual meaning behind the idiom they try to use. And unlike is the case with definitions of words, idioms cannot evolve. Only be forgotten and new ones made.

The wikipedia entry originally linked literally says, verbatim, "you can't fit a square peg in a round hole." Your argument is that the original poster of that link didn't read it the article, but that's literally what is written there. If you want to argue that all of society is using the metaphor incorrectly, that's a whole other can of worms, but the original poster in this thread was using it correctly, as stated in the article they linked.

[kikix12]

The wikipedia entry originally linked literally says, verbatim, "you can't fit a square peg in a round hole."

No, it does not...That does appear once, in a quote. The idiom itself is just square peg in a round hole, as that very same article says. Not to mention, every single dictionary.

If you want to argue that all of society is using the metaphor incorrectly, that's a whole other can of worms, but the original poster in this thread was using it correctly, as stated in the article they linked.

I'm arguing that Gemina used it incorrectly and that there are people that use it incorrectly because they interpret it on their own, rather than look at its source. And people seem to be really allergic to dictionaries, arguing that "language is a living thing", calling those that use them "grammar nazis" (which is, also, incorrect, on so many levels) or ignoring them...just like you did.

You can use the metaphor of "can't fit a square peg in a round hole", but that's no longer that idiom. This is the problem.

Also, please stop double+ posting. If you want to respond to multiple posts with quotes then just copy the quotes into one response. Multi-posting is against forum rules on basically every site due to its interference in the flow of discussion.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

No, it does not...That does appear once, in a quote. The idiom itself is just square peg in a round hole, as that very same article says. Not to mention, every single dictionary.

I'm arguing that Gemina used it incorrectly and that there are people that use it incorrectly because they interpret it on their own, rather than look at its source. And people seem to be really allergic to dictionaries, arguing that "language is a living thing", calling those that use them "grammar nazis" (which is, also, incorrect, on so many levels) or ignoring them...just like you did.

You can use the metaphor of "can't fit a square peg in a round hole", but that's no longer that idiom. This is the problem.

Also, please stop double+ posting. If you want to respond to multiple posts with quotes then just copy the quotes into one response. Multi-posting is against forum rules on basically every site due to its interference in the flow of discussion.

Yes it does. Under "Business Management", calls it a idiomatic expression and doesn't say at all that it has a different meaning than the "pure" idiom.

"Business management

This idiomatic expression has proven to be quite durable into the 21st century. It is used in a range of contemporary business-related circumstances; and illustrative examples include:

"As they say, you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If your boss is like that round hole and you are that square peg, you aren't going to fit in unless you re-shape your edges.""

And nothing there says this has a different meaning than the idiom. In fact, Wikipedia says idiom and idiomatic expression are the same:

"Square peg in a round hole" is an idiomatic expression