So, how is Pyros?

[Vahlnir]

I posted earlier in this thread, but I was also in the middle of Pyros at the time. Here are my final thoughts on Pyros:

1. Exp gains

The increased exp gains compared to Pagos or even Anemos were welcome, as well as allowing exp to be gained from bunny fates. This has probably been the most enjoyable level grind in Eureka yet.

2. NMs

NMs were interesting to fight, probably even enjoyable. They were also easily accessible even for those stuck on the ground running. Again, thank you for that. Another thing I'd like to bring up is Penny. I've seen people complain that they never see her. Personally, I've fought her about 5-6 times during my time in Pyros, so...not sure what the issue is there.

3. Zone layout

The map itself was easy to navigate, save for a few bottlenecks. Being careful is also a bit of a requirement, such as walking by some monsters, which definitely added some sense of danger...unlike Pagos, where the devs seemed keen on ruining your day all day every day. There was no "danger" there, just annoyances.

4. Treasures

Bunny fates were a decent concept, but overall I think it falls flat on its face due to how random it is to just obtain a bunny upon completing the fate as well as the randomness of the chests you can receive...on top of poor chances of getting anything meaningful from said chests in the end. Can we just not do this again, SE? They failed in Pagos, I get it. And while they may be slightly better in Pyros...the layers of RNG involved make it very unfun. NMs that drop loot could probably use a bit of an increase in their drop rates as well, imo.

5. The relic grind

I don't have many complaints about the relic grind itself. It takes a bit to gather the required crystals as well as the logograms (unless they are bought from the MB), but overall it wasn't so bad on that front. Penny also pops fairly often from what I've seen so there isn't much of a gate there. Upon completion, you are rewarded the weapon and given the option to farm for additional stats. Here's hoping that this is the devs acknowledging that people are doing this for glamours or a useful weapon. Such a choice would be great going forward.

6. Light farming

Again, a concept that may have looked great on paper, but like the treasure bunnies falls flat on its face due to the random nature of it. It'd be one thing if you got 1, 2, 3 stats at random and were able to focus on them afterwards. Sadly, that is not the case. It is random stats to begin with, followed by the randomness of the numbers themselves. People could potentially reroll for months and not get the desired result. I've got 3 different stats on my weapon but probably won't take it any further unless changes are made. As long as I can get my Hydatos weapon in the end I don't particularly care what stats are on it.

7. Logos Actions

Another good concept, but could also stand to be less random. The actions themselves are very useful though, so definitely worth trying to get as many actions as possible.

Verdict:

Slightly better than Anemos, worlds better than Pagos but could stand to lose some of its RNG aspects.

[Deceptus]

4. Treasures

Bunny fates were a decent concept, but overall I think it falls flat on its face due to how random it is to just obtain a bunny upon completing the fate as well as the randomness of the chests you can receive...on top of poor chances of getting anything meaningful from said chests in the end. Can we just not do this again, SE? They failed in Pagos, I get it. And while they may be slightly better in Pyros...the layers of RNG involved make it very unfun. NMs that drop loot could probably use a bit of an increase in their drop rates as well, imo..

My biggest issue. With everything locked behind bunny chests, Pagos Lockboxes (normal) are essentially worthless.

6. Light farming

Again, a concept that may have looked great on paper, but like the treasure bunnies falls flat on its face due to the random nature of it. It'd be one thing if you got 1, 2, 3 stats at random and were able to focus on them afterwards. Sadly, that is not the case. It is random stats to begin with, followed by the randomness of the numbers themselves. People could potentially reroll for months and not get the desired result. I've got 3 different stats on my weapon but probably won't take it any further unless changes are made. As long as I can get my Hydatos weapon in the end I don't particularly care what stats are on it.

When the optimal way to farm light is to literally de-level yourself on purpose, something is wrong with that aspect of the content.

[Artorias]

Was now like 2 times in Pyros and i have to say its the same boring bullshit like Anemos and Pagos. Ultra boring Content. Gives me the same bored and empty feeling like the other two Eureka Areas.

[Crushnight]

This answer:
Q: Might be too soon but I’m quite curious about how the contents in the future will be like after experiences from the Forbidden Land, Eureka.
Y: I’m very glad about how many adventurers are enjoying our contents that many members with Mr. Nakagawa’s lead helped making them. “Freely choosing your own adventure outside of FFXIV’s rules” kind of contents could be possible in the future. What new concept, new place, what could be fun aren’t something I haven’t brainstormed yet….Probably should start thinking right now.

This says to me no eureka styled content in early 5.x yet also says haven't looked at anything to break the mold either and personally i don't know which is worse

[Vahlnir]

This answer:
Q: Might be too soon but I’m quite curious about how the contents in the future will be like after experiences from the Forbidden Land, Eureka.
Y: I’m very glad about how many adventurers are enjoying our contents that many members with Mr. Nakagawa’s lead helped making them. “Freely choosing your own adventure outside of FFXIV’s rules” kind of contents could be possible in the future. What new concept, new place, what could be fun aren’t something I haven’t brainstormed yet….Probably should start thinking right now.

This says to me no eureka styled content in early 5.x yet also says haven't looked at anything to break the mold either and personally i don't know which is worse

If it's between "breaking the mold" and going with Diadem 4.0 or going back to how things were in ARR and HW for the relic...I'd rather they go back to a system that, while tedious, works...and works well.

[Crushnight]

If it's between "breaking the mold" and going with Diadem 4.0 or going back to how things were in ARR and HW for the relic...I'd rather they go back to a system that, while tedious, works...and works well.

Personally eureka shouldn't have had the relic i've always seen the relic to entice us to go back into older content and i feel that is its best quality (before SB) as would give some duties a bit more activity and that was to the benefit of the game as of SB i have noticed a bigger decline with older content (to be expected some but its alot more pronounced in SB than with ARR and the better comparison HW). The big problem i have with the answer is basically you thought SB was just retreading old stuff too much seems they haven't even thought up anything for Shadowbringers, familiarity is nice but change is needed to keep things going too stale and SB is already full of it we don't need more

[Vahlnir]

The big problem i have with the answer is basically you thought SB was just retreading old stuff too much seems they haven't even thought up anything for Shadowbringers, familiarity is nice but change is needed to keep things going too stale and SB is already full of it we don't need more

Eureka was supposed to be something completely new to XIV. What it ended up being is Fate grinding and little more than that. The only new things Eureka has brought to the table is Logos actions and bunny fates (but even they are Fate grinding for the most part). They are neat and all, but it's too little too late. Just seems like every time they try to innovate it's one step forward, half a step or more back. It's to the point where if they aren't capable of innovation or keeping things fresh maybe it's time for someone new to be in charge of the game's design. To be honest though, MMOs as a whole seem to be stagnating a bit, so it's not just an FF XIV problem exclusively. It's just more evident here due to the supposed "server limitations" and a very obvious lack of creativity with some things. Not all, but some.