getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Moonlite]

There is already a tool, called BATTLELOG. Its just that it would be way to much work to read it out properly, thats what the parser does and fflogs is just keeping record of what happened in the fight.

But what i find way more interesting is that most people share literally everything on socialmedia but they almost start a riot when people see how they do in a videogame.

If someone wanted to read through the battle logs. That are saved on their system that is fine. But unless I missed an update, isn't that info wiped from you when you log out? Also it sure looks to me like FFlogs quantifies that info into another number. You can take it however you want though. It just seems like this ship has sailed along with a few other things in game that people would like to have changed. But I am sure you could almost write the response to what they would say, if the forums were flooded with people are being booted because of fflogs.



The social media thing. I am sure people allow what they are comfortable with online. I think people are a little to comfortable, but that's just me.

[Andevom]

@Andevom if you read correctly what i wrote you would've seen that i was strictly refering to the chat everyone can see. If i write something in the All, Shout, Party or Yell chat i know that everyone can see it and i don't really care if people could look up what i wrote in there, just like i don't care if people see my logs or not. Nothing of that is somewhere near MY private data, its stuff from a videogame and nothing more.

You said "all chats", not "chats everyone can see". I'm sorry, the analogy still kinda falls flat with me. The expectation of privacy is much less when you're voluntarily shouting something out in public.

[Ilan]

bolded it for you

THIS DATA IS NOT RELATED TO YOUR PERSON! It is only related to your person if you make your RL identity public, before that these are just datas of pixels.

[Paladinleeds]

THIS DATA IS NOT RELATED TO YOUR PERSON! It is only related to your person if you make your RL identity public, before that these are just datas of pixels.

Might be worth taking it to court to see though. GDPR does state though that online identifiers count, and people can use your online identifier to track and source your RL identity. It actually happened to me quite recently.

[HyoMinPark]

bolded it for you. (your characters name is an identifier)

But your character’s name is not a direct identification to your person. I don’t think it falls under this.

If someone wanted to read through the battle logs. That are saved on their system that is fine. But unless I missed an update, isn't that info wiped from you when you log out?

I can access logs stored on my PC that contain text directly from the Battle Logs and chats.
Under My Games > FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn > FFXIV_CHR00xxxxxxxxxxxx (my main’s specific character folder) > logs

They’re a horrible mess to read through, but they’re there.

[Ilan]

You said "all chats", not "chats everyone can see". I'm sorry, the analogy still kinda falls flat with me. The expectation of privacy is much less when you're voluntarily shouting something out in public.

Now we are starting to nitpick. But you are right, i should have made an EXACT list of the chats i mean...not that it could be obvious that i meant chats that everyone can read.

Might be worth taking it to court to see though. GDPR does state though that online identifiers count, and people can use your online identifier to track and source your RL identity. It actually happened to me quite recently.

These would be extreme cases which are highly unlikely. But if that would count as personal data, things like lodestone would be completly illegal and your character name had to be censored for everyone besides you to protect your private data.

[Dzian]

But your character’s name is not a direct identification to your person. I don’t think it falls under this.

it doesn't have to be.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/person see 1.1

1.1 (in legal or formal contexts) an unspecified individual

It can be anything that seperates them as an individual.
it can be via there name. an id. location data OR an online identifier. if that information can be tracked to an Individual indentifer it is personal data.

Your Character for example can be identified as an individual person or player. while people may not know your real name or address or anything like that. your character is still an online indentifier and can be indentified as a person. not a group of people but an individual person. and that makes any data pertaining to your online identifier. personal data.

But if that would count as personal data, things like lodestone would be completly illegal and your character name had to be censored for everyone besides you to protect your private data.

The Lodestone is directly connected to the game and thus you consent to it having that data when you accept the terms and conditions for the game

you can however go into your lodestone and choose what data you wish to share. you can hide your achievements your friends, your minion collection and various other things.

[whiskeybravo]

I need to read more thoroughly but sounds like misconstrued interpretation.

Either way, the world is not the European Union. We have to see other nations adopting the legislation.

[Stormfur]

With the "glass bathroom stalls" thing, I was referring less to FFLogs specifically and more on the whole "if you want privacy you must have something to hide" mentality.

Hope that clarifies that.

Now yeah, I agree, if you're down with the flu, your cat's on fire or grandma's in a tree, then yeah you probably SHOULDN'T be looking for a top tier, all-clear savage party at that precise moment. But people do... and judging someone *solely* by what's in a log file somewhere is neither a fair nor accurate representation of them as a player.

You would think that players would have enough sense to segment themselves when it comes to joining a PF for learning/practice/clear/farm - but sadly they don't, so I can see a tool like FFLogs being used to try and discern that, even though it's certainly not without its drawbacks.

Opting into it would be ideal. That way, they still get the data and a player's personal information remains private if they want it to be. For those that choose to be anonymous, you could just have their class role displayed -- Monk, Dragoon, etc. This way, everyone gets what they want.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The world we all live in. GDPR



so yeah pretty much anything i say in the chat log is personal data. just the same as any post i make on facebook is personal data... anyhting that can be referenced to an identifiable individual is considered personal data.

so technically fflogs is in breach of GDPR as its using identifiable information without consent. and thus should be anonymised for anyone who has not Opted-In

Sorry to disappoint you, but Dzian Cielo isn't an online identifier. It's actually an application of pseudonymisation, meaning the game and all interactions with you inside the game are made solely through that pseudonym and nothing ingame links that pseudonym to your real life identity. That's even why any non-direct messaging is done through Mogmail instead of going to your email account associated with your SE account. All emails regarding the game are handled exclusively by SE and there's no way ingame to discern that email account bar you personally telling someone the address.

So no, parsing your portion of the shared battle logs isn't a violation of GDPR because there's no way to connect that information to your real life identity. GDPR would only be relevant to your online identity as an XIV player, if someone besides SE staff could link it to your real life identity.