getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Nora_of_Mira]

I understand. Because it is a group effort, I understand why someone would want to see your specific contribution in that specific fight. Unfortunately that's all they see and they very much do judge a book by its cover. [...] You can't explain "well, I was down with the flu" or "we were still learning the fight at that point." or whatever. It doesn't tell the whole story or make up the whole picture of you as a player.

I don't want to say it, but that's because that is all that matters. If the group's objective is to clear a fight, prog a fight, or even start learning a fight, and you can't participate on the same level due to being sick or because they're lying...you shouldn't be in that party. And you or whoever should not even want to be in a party while you're sick or underperforming, or w/e.

It's way too defensive to say "you dont know the whole story, man" when instead you or whoever should just take responsibility for your actions and adjust.

[Sylvina]

Actually all that matters in a game is having fun and if raiding actually required you to be a jerk raiding should have died in a fire long ago. Fortunately it's not actually the case.

[MoroMurasaki]

Actually all that matters in a game is having fun and if raiding actually required you to be a jerk raiding should have died in a fire long ago. Fortunately it's not actually the case.

Has anyone advocated being a jerk? :thinking:

[Sylvina]

Has anyone advocated being a jerk? :thinking:

I mean I see it a lot of the time in the raiding community sadly. I'm a 32 year old adult personally and since I play games for fun, I don't have time for those people.

[MoroMurasaki]

I mean I see it a lot of the time in the raiding community sadly. I'm a 32 year old adult personally and since I play games for fun, I don't have time for those people.

I've certainly encountered it as well over the years but clearly raiding didn't require it. Your post just seems really out of left field considering the discussion. I'm confused.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

In my experience, usually if you get immediately kicked from the party it's probably because the party leader was too lazy to set the PF how they really wanted it and you filled a spot that they actually wanted another job for.

For example many PFs say "no dupes" in the comments but then dont bother to adjust the role filters to avoid duplicate jobs. Another example is when they wanted a standard comp of 2 melee 1 ranged physical and 1 ranged magical but dont filter each dps slot accordingly.

Basically it's probably nothing you did wrong just the party leader being lazy and then kicking people when they dont get what they wanted.

As for people not joining a party that you set up, again how you set up the PF matters. One of the most common reasons I see PFs stagnate is because someone joined and then left the group and the spot they left now only accepts the job they were on when they left and the party leader fails to correct this. I personally see this as a sign that the party leader is either AFK, or too incompetent to even know how PF works, and opt to avoid anything to do with that party.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I agree with the 'didn't bother to set correct settings' explanation. Also I also tried to block my logs on FF logs and it didn't work. Mostly because I hadn't linked the account up correctly. I haven't bothered since but for those of us who play on console, since we can't use parsers, we kind of get the raw end of the deal. We can only be parsed when someone in the group is parsing so we get a severely mixed bag. The person who used the '2 of 50 parses' is basically correct in that unless you're regularly raiding in a party who parses, your actual logs may not reflect your skill level. Hiding mine was just a sort of middle finger because I don't do Savage content so it likely would never matter unless someone was just trying to troll for some reason. But in the end, it was easier to just let it be. I think you honestly just got a string of lazy PFs who already had their melee requirement or whatever. If you want to do Savage tho, listen to the people who do and don't hide your logs because apparently that's a Thing.

[Aeilyi]

I've only raided with you once so I can't really tell if you have a rep or not, but you seem okay in the party we were in. Lol I have also seen your logs before, they're not great. But I kind of guessed that you haven't been raiding for long and might be still new to this. Just try and keep improving. Raiders care more about seeing improvement even if you're not very good at first.

Also, I mostly join pfs that are already half full. That way, it fills faster rather than "starting from scratch" with a completely new pf. That might be part of the reason why people weren't joining your pf. This happens to me occassionally too if the pf is not a prog and it's not Tuesday.

As for reasons why you were kicked, I'll try and think of some potential reasons.
I guess one reason would be you're a SAM. It unfortunate, but SAM doesn't have any raid utility. The only thing useful that SAM can bring into a raid group is high dps, usually 6k or more. As other have said, you could try and test if this is a reason by switching to another melee.

Another reason could be you've joined the "wrong" clear party. It could be a clear for 1, but the pf lead was looking for people who have already cleared that fight. But they've forgot to put the [Duty Complete] tag, so they were kicking whoever haven't cleared (happened to me once). Or it's a "serious" clear group where the pf lead will only let people stay if they bring the HIGH DEEPS. I think op should stay away from those groups lol. Then, there's also the 3 mistakes = kick groups. I think those three types of clear groups that are more likely to kick people compared to regular clear groups. As for regular clear parties, there isn't much expectation except you go in, do your best, try not to die and clear. For some reason, I feel like there's less people raiding this week, so there's less clear party "options" for one to chose from, which is not always good. You'll run into the same faces over and over again trying to get that clear and eventually, you'll know how everyone performs. Because of this, some people will start being picky about who they play with, especially if they're stuck on that enrage for weeks. Unfortunately, this is how you can end up with a reputation on pf Lol.

I suggest op to try a different melee and see how it goes.
Also, don't forget to look up job guides, ask an experienced player, and use the xivanalysis site if you want some feedback on how you're doing. Good luck!

[Akonyl]

Fwiw, the only person I've personally played with who was both high-ranking and hid their FFlogs is now banned from fflogs for exploiting.

Anyway, the OP mentions alphascape savage, which one was it? Was it a full-PF, or was it mostly a static (who might've had a member log on, so they kicked the pub)?

If you can't get any groups at all and it's pretty low-level (o9s or o10s) try making a PF and calling it a trap party (or looking for them), some people (meme-seekers) join em with low expectations and even if they do fail a lot, hey there are trap parties that work out sometimes too. At least if people see you as a bad player (or whatever reason you're getting kicked for), you probably won't be immediately kicked from something calling itself a trap party.

[Dzian]

I would hazard that making it opt in by choice would actually break algorithms and skew the ranking system on FFLOGS. For things like the logs to work (or any data driven thing to work), the more data you put into it, the better typically.

Thing is you could have literally all the data the only thing you'd need to omit is a players name if they hadn't opted in. Absolutely everything else relating to that parse could stay.

While removing names may skew the rankings for others that wouldn't really matter. As generally it's just mean players were ranked against other ranked players..

As it is. Rankings are skewed because a lot of the people being ranked aren't actually competing for want of a better word. It's like beating the car next to you to the next set of lights when the driver of the car next to you isn't even aware your racing him.