This video tells you why some people thought FFXIV 1.2. is a better MMO than 2.0

[Paladinleeds]

I think she played too much hamlet...
Which content you guys are enjoying now in 4.45?
because look at these Eureka & Blue mage threads....
I remember no one were complaining the gameplay during 1.2x

There is a point where you can come across as arrogant. You're dangerously close to crossing that threshold. You enjoyed 1.x, nobody is trying to deny that from you. But, you're putting down others who said there was something they didn't like saying "Oh no, it must have been something she did wrong." - and that's where the arrogance comes across.

Yes I will lag if I play in NA server, Titan killed me a lot
but I am in Aegis since 1.1x, language is not the issue,

No one is speaking in the FC channel now, it's so quiet... we were farming moggle keystones, doing job quest, primals, dungeons, oh & the hamlet， in 1.2x everyday

Yoshi P says that up to 200ms ping is fine for this game (I disagree, but that's what he says). If NA would be above that amount, would EU provide a better experience for you? Yeah, we have the French and the Germans but there's a LOT of English speakers here. Perhaps this would work better for you. Also, there are English heavy servers on the JP datacentre (I think Tonberry is the main one?), perhaps these could also be an option to consider, if you're having problems making friends in Aegis. I'm on Louisoix, an EU server (I'm European myself so makes sense), I have no issues making friends, and this is with a disability that is supposed to stop me being able to make friends.

[Ilenya]

How are raids exclusive? You can literally go back and unsync steamroll the older ones for the same rewards people earned when they were relevant. You can enter the current ones provided you have the content unlocked and meet item level requirements. Clearing and having the skill to clear is another matter, but accessing them isn’t locked behind some mountainous wall.

Just as a guess, but isn't there that whole chest lockout system for the current tier raids? I don't do Savage tier fights, so I can't guarantee that, but wouldn't that cause issues with being able to go in and help someone else clear it, if your group had more than 8 total?

[Stanelis]

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Is is exclusive that way, because you don't get to play with the people you want to play with. If you have more than 7 friends then some would have to go play with other people, which isn't something everybody is willing to. And that's way the number of players who currently raid is so low.

You may consider that the social aspects of raiding are only second to the completion of content, but it is precisely because you overlook these social aspects that you cannot understand why so few people are raiding.

Furthermore, the amount of free time available per player isn't a factor when only 4 bosses are released every 6 month. I know people who only raid 1 evening per week during the week ends.

Good God, no. It’s hard enough to get 24 people to cooperate in 24-mans and 8 people to cooperate in PUGs—I would not want to deal with larger numbers in Savage...even with a static.

Nobody is talking about 24 man raids. The issue isn't the number of players in the raid, it is that the number is a fixed amount. 7 players availalbe tonight ? screwed. 9 players available tonight ? Screwed also.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Is is exclusive that way, because you don't get to play with the people you want to play with. If you have more than 7 friends then some would have to go play with other people, which isn't something everybody is willing to. And that's way the number of players who currently raid is so low.



Nobody is talking about 24 man raids. The issue isn't the number of players in the raid, it is that the number is a fixed amount. 7 ? screwed. 8 ? Screwed also.

We have more than 8 people in our FC that raid/run extremes... and they take turns, or we put together two groups.

I have more than 3 friends, but I don't just give up running dungeons - we take turns.

I don't personally know anybody who "doesn't raid" because they've got too big a group. If that's your issue, fine, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't hold most people back.

[Stanelis]

We have more than 8 people in our FC that raid/run extremes... and they take turns, or we put together two groups.

I have more than 3 friends, but I don't just give up running dungeons - we take turns.

I don't personally know anybody who "doesn't raid" because they've got too big a group. If that's your issue, fine, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't hold most people back.

You might be an exception, because nowadays most people only run 8 men static groups (to optimize progress, as if you start bringing more players in, they need to learn the fight when most of the group is already experienced) and don't do it the old way (eg rotating roster). There are little incentives for FCs to grow beyond 8 in the current FFXIV, and that's precisely why raiding is a niche activity in FFXIV. The longer you play, the more people you meet and get to know (even IRL), and can possibly play with. Yet there is a hardcap set at 8 in FFXIV.

I know a lot of people who don't raid because their friends roster are too tight, some even have waiting lists.

[Rymm]

Yes I will lag if I play in NA server, Titan killed me a lot
but I am in Aegis since 1.1x, language is not the issue,

I realize this is off topic but as the thread is quickly devolving into a "Yes, it is!/No, it isn't!" argument, I don't feel that bad asking where you're connecting from? I'm connecting to the NA servers (on the west coast of USA) from the east coast of South America (around 6,500 miles.) I consider it a good day if my ping falls below mid-400s. Titan still gets me sometimes with his damnable landslides, but the worst of bad ping can largely be mitigated by knowing the fights to the point you are reacting when you expect the mechanic to come instead of when you see the indicators.

If you are really that unhappy with your community, maybe try looking for greener pastures when the free transfers are opened up?

[Penthea]

Is is exclusive that way, because you don't get to play with the people you want to play with. If you have more than 7 friends then some would have to go play with other people, which isn't something everybody is willing to. And that's way the number of players who currently raid is so low.

Quite a poor argument given that all group content has a maximum amount of players who can participate, and most content is for only four players which is half the size of a raid team. HoH/POTD which can be comparable to savage in terms of the planning needed and skill to complete floors is even more "exclusive" because you can't change members of your team without resetting your save.

Also what do you mean "you don't get to play with the people you want to play with"? Nothing in the game is stopping you from choosing who you play with. You're not forced to raid savage with random pugs or people you dislike.

You may consider that the social aspects of raiding are only second to the completion of content, but it is precisely because you overlook these social aspects that you cannot understand why so few people are raiding.

This is entirely up to the team and the individual players as to whether they put the atmosphere of the team first, or completion of content. Some teams put one over the other, others have them equal, and others don't care which as long as they get to raid.

The exclusivity of savage is more about if a player has enough base skill to realistically contend with the content, has enough drive to exceed their current performance so that they always continue to improve, if they have patience for wiping, and if they find a team suited for them. Not because of how many people can participate. If raiding is exclusive because of how many can join, then all content is exclusive by this definition.

There can be an argument made for exclusivity for the savage loot lockouts, but you'll find in most posts that criticise savage exclusivity they're usually players who complain about those who are lesser skilled or less geared, or players complaining about these complaints. Rarely about loot lockouts.

[LauraAdalena]

but...this is MMORPG, not a SINGLE PLAYER game, most contents you mentioned are solo content

wh-what? Are... are you blind? I mentioned Raids, an EX trial (I could go on about ones I enjoy), Pyros, PotD (I hate PotD solo, so I guess I could be making an assumption), and leveling stuff. One of those isn't even "single player" or "multi-player" depending on how you do it (I prefer queuing for dungeons, making it a multi-player aspect for me. Even if BLU won't be, I'll find ways to make it that).

If you look at what I named "most" are MMO activities. Fights, Pyros, and I guess PotD would be a dungeon? Most of what I named are content that requires other players to be fun or even slightly less of a slog (Eureka. Although Pyros does it better than Pagos and Anemos imo)

[Nestama]

I realize this is off topic but as the thread is quickly devolving into a "Yes, it is!/No, it isn't!" argument, I don't feel that bad asking where you're connecting from? I'm connecting to the NA servers (on the west coast of USA) from the east coast of South America (around 6,500 miles.) I consider it a good day if my ping falls below mid-400s. Titan still gets me sometimes with his damnable landslides, but the worst of bad ping can largely be mitigated by knowing the fights to the point you are reacting when you expect the mechanic to come instead of when you see the indicators.

If you are really that unhappy with your community, maybe try looking for greener pastures when the free transfers are opened up?

Pretty much this. While my ping is not that high (hangs around 150-200+), so long as you know the fight, clearing it should be entirely possible (unless someone else wipes it). I'm an Australian playing on an American server and used to play FFXIV on the PS3... those were dark days (as the lag was waaaaaay worse than it is now).

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I wish I'd accepted that beta invite way back when. However, SE could and should release some of those 1.0 cutscenes in the 'Neverending Journey'. Maybe lock them behind 1.0 themed fights and stagger release them during each year's 'Rising' event. I'll take that over ugly furniture items.