This video tells you why some people thought FFXIV 1.2. is a better MMO than 2.0

[Clover_Blake]

I didn't play 1.0. I did stalk its release, but the lack of character customization or any ingame feature that actually sounded *fun* made me stay away.

From all I've heard, the only thing that I find awesome from that game is the final part, because it was that, final, and thus it was full of crazy events and nice details (in fact, most of the 1.0 features OP is listing are just from the final event alone?). Other than that... it sounds a bit like a pain to me ;
I wouldn't change all the FFXIV's current features (especially the fluff content for us screenshooters) for what little 1.0 had to offer.

[LauraAdalena]

A bunch of quotes from people who like 11 more than 14

Have you ever heard of Confirmation bias? It's what you are doing when you take quotes from other people, don't cite facts, and just take their word for fact because you agree with them.

I'm not trying to imply that you are doing this. Because that's not subtle enough to be implication.

Also, raiding community =/= total people playing. Someone else brought up that it's probably about the same amount of players who played 1.x.

Let's be honest here. People here want to see this thread stop being bumped. And I'd rather we stop this whole thing as well. But since i can't be as nasty as I want to be because of rules and social standards, I will say this again with a few more things.

Stop complaining about 2.x+ because you liked 1.x on the forums and just go play whatever game makes you happy.

If it's not 2.x+, stop subscribing to it. If you don't like 2.x+ don't play it or pay for it. It's called voting with your money. Do it.

If you do want to play 2.x+ and just have minor gripes like most of us then go play it and stop complaining here.


If you really want friends, the game shouldn't force others to be your friend. Because that's how you are making it sound. Even in WOW nobody is being forced into communicating with you. If this bothers you, be a social flower and go talk to people. Shout in Rhalgrs, do something. Oh, and since you are on a Japanese server, maybe don't complain about that kind of stuff if you don't speak Japanese? Because if you are playing on a Japanese server and don't speak Japanese it's well-known in the community that Japanese players don't like dealing with non-Japanese speakers. So if that's the problem, maybe playing on a Japanese server isn't for you. If you can't connect to another server, then maybe complaining about that when it's a well-known problem and pinning it on the game is a bad idea.

In case it isn't clear to you: From what most people here are saying, the problem isn't that people aren't being made to talk to you, so you don't have friends because the game doesn't prioritize that it's that nobody else is having that problem so it can't be a design flaw with the game, but something you are doing. And if you can't see past that, stop posting on the forums that you aren't being catered to because that's all anybody will say to you.

[Sprinks]

A message from Ashiee, the lala in the very first video that is posted in the OP:



(there is no name-shaming or anything, the 3 people in this post are myself, my husband, and Ashiee. We are well aware of what we say and do)

[Delily]

It's not that hard to search YouTube for 1.X gameplay. I've watched videos of Ifrit and Aurum Vale, and it's terrible; it's slower than combat in FFXI. Throw in massive copy-pasted zones combined with random high level mobs to create an artificial sense of danger and it's obvious to understand why they had to shut the game down and rebuild it.

As for these people waxing nostalgic about 1.23, as many have said, it was "fun" because it was a transition period. The devs did fun things, the community was good because people were excited about the prospect of the rebuild, etc.

These people may think 1.2 was more fun, and that's fine, but the numbers prove out that people prefer 2.0. The fact that Yoshida is able to run a subscription game with microtransactions in the age of free-to-play, and deliver 4 expansions speaks more than a bunch of YouTubers whining the game sucks.

[ShanXiv]

A message from Ashiee, the lala in the very first video that is posted in the OP:



(there is no name-shaming or anything, the 3 people in this post are myself, my husband, and Ashiee. We are well aware of what we say and do)

I think she played too much hamlet...
Which content you guys are enjoying now in 4.45?
because look at these Eureka & Blue mage threads....
I remember no one were complaining the gameplay during 1.2x

Oh, and since you are on a Japanese server, maybe don't complain about that kind of stuff if you don't speak Japanese? Because if you are playing on a Japanese server and don't speak Japanese it's well-known in the community that Japanese players don't like dealing with non-Japanese speakers. So if that's the problem, maybe playing on a Japanese server isn't for you. If you can't connect to another server

Yes I will lag if I play in NA server, Titan killed me a lot
but I am in Aegis since 1.1x, language is not the issue,

No one is speaking in the FC channel now, it's so quiet... we were farming mooggle keystones, doing job quest, primals, dungeons, oh & the hamlet， in 1.2x everyday

Okay, fine. A challenge I accept.

I actually like Pyros. It's fun, despite the grind, mostly because of the Logos system.

The Custom Deliveries, although simple, adds a little bit of world building and I love putting the NPCs in the stupidest outfits imaginable, esp the chocobo head.

I enjoy the raids. 9S-12S are really fun to do, and Suzaku is a highlight for Stormblood for me.

I occasionally go back to Palace of the Dead. It's simple and fun to get into, for me.

I like doing the ARR/HW relics. I may be simple to entertain.

I love leveling classes, so I'll enjoy Blue Mage even if it's garbage when it comes out, as I've said in one thread in particular many times.



If you are really so stuck behind those rose tinted glasses that you think nobody was complaining, then you really need a reality check. Someone will always be complaining. Just period.

but...this is MMORPG, not a SINGLE PLAYER game, most contents you mentioned are solo content

Oh look when a 1.0 player does say some content wasn't good "[I]t
If that was the case 2.0 would have never happened. Why would SE have spent so much money on 2.0 if everyone was perfectly happy with 1.2x? They would have just kept on going with 1.2x style content if the playerbase was as satisfied as you claim.

But...I think most people in this forum are not happy with Eureka?

Then go out and find a more active FC and people to do stuff with in 4.45.
Or, you know, unsubscribe if you don’t want to do that.

I've joined 3 FCs (actually it's 4, one in Balmung), include a Japan FC, all of them are quiet now,

95% players had unsubbed already, that's not a good sight
You know XIV1.0 had sold 600000 copies right? if -95%, that's only 30000 players are stay subbed ,


that's why I said 1.2x> 4.45 > 1.0-1.10 (gameplay-wise,& 1.20 had much higher active player ratio)

[Penthea]

I think she played too much hamlet...

Oh look when a 1.0 player does say some content wasn't good "they must have done it too much". You can't accept that maybe they just didn't like it.

I remember no one were complaining the gameplay during 1.2x

If that was the case 2.0 would have never happened. Why would SE have spent so much money on 2.0 if everyone was perfectly happy with 1.2x? They would have just kept on going with 1.2x style content if the playerbase was as satisfied as you claim.

[LauraAdalena]

I think she played too much hamlet...
Which content you guys are enjoying now in 4.45?
because look at these Eureka & Blue mage threads....

Okay, fine. A challenge I accept.

I actually like Pyros. It's fun, despite the grind, mostly because of the Logos system.

The Custom Deliveries, although simple, adds a little bit of world building and I love putting the NPCs in the stupidest outfits imaginable, esp the chocobo head.

I enjoy the raids. 9S-12S are really fun to do, and Suzaku is a highlight for Stormblood for me.

I occasionally go back to Palace of the Dead. It's simple and fun to get into, for me.

I like doing the ARR/HW relics. I may be simple to entertain.

I love leveling classes, so I'll enjoy Blue Mage even if it's garbage when it comes out, as I've said in one thread in particular many times.

I remember no one were complaining the gameplay during 1.2x

If you are really so stuck behind those rose tinted glasses that you think nobody was complaining, then you really need a reality check. Someone will always be complaining. Just period.

[LauraAdalena]

Yes I will lag if I play in NA server, Titan killed me a lot
but I am in Aegis since 1.1x, language is not the issue,
no one is speaking in the FC channel now, it's so quiet...

Then find a different FC or actually go out and find friends.

[Dzian]

The issue with raid content currently is that it is way too much exclusive,

Nothing is exclusive in this game. except perhaps mog station stuffs that people throw ridiculous amounts of money on.

Raids aren't exclusive they're accessible as they can possibly be. there is nothing stopping any player from enter any raid. it is not exclusive content. hellt it's as easy as open raid finder and press a button....

queues might take a while but thats a player issue not a content being exclusive issue.

I do however agree the game does need a lot more flexibility in group sizes. I have said several times it's quite anti social when you can't do things with friends. you either need to drag along some strangers who have there own agendas or you leave people behind anddon't include them. and i have often said i think this is a reason so many groups of players fall apart.

Back when potd added the 51-200 floors we made a group of 4 to climb it together and had several people saying they wanted to do it but sorry you can't come. and doubly sorry we cant go with you because we haven o empty saves...

generally the only thing that makes something exclusive in this game is laziness. people want a reward but aren't willing to make the effort.. at no point does the game deny anyone from getting anything they might want. hell it goes so far as to say here you go and hands it out on a silver platter with echos and unsyncs..

[HyoMinPark]

I think she played too much hamlet...

Poor rebuttal is poor.

Which content you guys are enjoying now in 4.45?
because look at these Eureka & Blue mage threads....

Alphascape Savage.
Eureka isn’t the only content this game has, though Pyros is much better than Pagos from everything I hear.
BLU hasn’t even been released yet, so I don’t count it as content since I can’t access it.

I remember no one were complaining the gameplay during 1.2x

Yeah, probably because there wasn’t anything to even complain about. From what I understand, Leves were supposed to be 1.0’s “content”. Most others weren’t anything overly interesting: the only thing I would want to see from 1.0 would be an open-world dungeon. But it probably wouldn’t be much different from a FATE or a Hunt.

No one is speaking in the FC channel now, it's so quiet... we were farming moggle keystones, doing job quest, primals, dungeons, oh & the hamlet， in 1.2x everyday

Then go out and find a more active FC and people to do stuff with in 4.45.
Or, you know, unsubscribe if you don’t want to do that.

The issue with raid content currently is that it is way too much exclusive

How are raids exclusive? You can literally go back and unsync steamroll the older ones for the same rewards people earned when they were relevant. You can enter the current ones provided you have the content unlocked and meet item level requirements. Clearing and having the skill to clear is another matter, but accessing them isn’t locked behind some mountainous wall.

The only things that are probably exclusive in terms of hardcore content is Ultimate, because you have to meet certain skill thresholds to even get through the first minute of the fight. And the rewards themselves are locked behind a forced item-level sync so you can’t steamroll in better gear. Personally, I wish all Savage had item level syncs on them, but alas.

Savage has even gotten progressively easier this expansion: Deltascape was so easy to make it more accessible to more players. Alphascape is harder than both of the previous tiers, but honestly, increasing difficulty with each newly released tier is how Savage should be, in my opinion.

in the way that you do need 7 other people (neither less nor more, if you only have 6 friends you're screwed, and if you have more than 7 some will be unhappy).

Sorry, but I don’t consider this “exclusivity”.
Finding people for raids is not nearly as hard as some make it out to be—there are a number of places to recruit, and then there’s always the PUG scene in PF, although the latter can be brutal at times.

If you'd increase the amount of players in FFXIV's raids (and especially by implementing some sort of flexible party size), you ll see way more people partaking in them.

Good God, no. It’s hard enough to get 24 people to cooperate in 24-mans and 8 people to cooperate in PUGs—I would not want to deal with larger numbers in Savage...even with a static.

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of players currently who don't raid because all their friends are raiding in "statics" but can't join because of the restricted party size or because they aren't looking for their preferred jobs.

Mmm, I think its more so because they either don’t have the time to raid because of real life, don’t want to because it’s not their cup of tea, or get angry when parties don’t want to carry them in the event they underperform.