All that BLU hate is just absurd

[JBee]

All that BLU hate is just absurd

So is telling people they shouldn't have an opinion - or that said opinion only matters when it specifically affects them adversely.

It's a hot topic for a reason - people are trying to make sense of a new direction for content that came out of left field and to try to offer suggestions on how to make more players assumedly happy with the outcome. But a lot of it is guessing, like you are saying, sure. But Parts of it are not - some parts have already been stated as facts. And some of those facts are causing issues, and people are trying to voice their opinions and concerns. If there is a better way to do that than on these forums, I at least am all ears. I know in a previous game, there was a method where you could type /feedback and a special window would open where you could directly send in feedback on the game. They were reviewed in their morning meetings (I know - a dev called me out on it specifically one time lol), and while there was no direct response, we knew at least our voices were heard. Maybe not catered to, but heard.

Granted, I agree on people cancelling now instead of waiting is premature - and chances are they already had one foot out the door and this was likely their final straw or what they are using as an excuse.

If people were told, "Hey, we've read this thread, or that thread, and we are taking what you are suggesting and giving it serious consideration," by someone who could say that with authority, chances are most people would stop there. But instead, they have to take the approach of the squeaky wheel getting the Astral Oil.

[Moogly]

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All that said, you still haven't played BLU yet...
People are making suggestions... on what ? 40 minutes of slides and a video ?
That's why it feels so absurd to me - talking about making something better... when no one has even played it yet...

YoshiP and the devs do respond to players when they can, but here no one is even giving a chance at their idea...

I mean, keep being negative to all sort of "new" things, and you'll get what you want raids, and dungeons, and trials, and raids...
You'll kill your fun yourself (and the game in the end) by being closed to any new concepts or ideas.

[Burningskull]

All that said, you still haven't played BLU yet...
People are making suggestions... on what ? 40 minutes of slides and a video ?
That's why it feels so absurd to me - talking about making something better... when no one has even played it yet...

YoshiP and the devs do respond to players when they can, but here no one is even giving a chance at their idea...

I mean, keep being negative to all sort of "new" things, and you'll get what you want raids, and dungeons, and trials, and raids...
You'll kill your fun yourself (and the game in the end) by being closed to any new concepts or ideas.

You actually have played Blu. Take your Black Mage out and kill a few open world mobs. Just say to yourself you're casting Bad Breath instead of Flare.

[Tharnor]

All that said, you still haven't played BLU yet...
People are making suggestions... on what ? 40 minutes of slides and a video ?
That's why it feels so absurd to me - talking about making something better... when no one has even played it yet...

YoshiP and the devs do respond to players when they can, but here no one is even giving a chance at their idea...

I mean, keep being negative to all sort of "new" things, and you'll get what you want raids, and dungeons, and trials, and raids...
You'll kill your fun yourself (and the game in the end) by being closed to any new concepts or ideas.

It could be the most awesome op job in the world with free gil and mounts and it would still be a waste as a limited job. Its like getting Porsche and only allowed to drive it on dirt roads. But everyone elses road taxes are used to fund that Porsche so now the rest of us are going to have potholes in the future.

[Ceanaorsa]

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People are not complaining about BLU gameplay, people are even happy about the fact he gets skill from ennemies.

But what people complains, and do suggestion about is not this. it is the fact, the confirmed fact, that the blue mage is not a job, but a side content.
The fact we cant use it for PvP or raid content.

Even if the BLU gameplay is the best video game experience of all the time, it wont change anything about this fact...

[Moogly]

But what people complains, and do suggestion about is not this. it is the fact, the confirmed fact, that the blue mage is not a job, but a side content.
The fact we cant use it for PvP or raid content.

And then again, who told you the devs had to deliver a regular job at patch 4.5 ?
They want to experiment - you don't like it, then yell at them or unsub to show your miscontent - in the future, they won't dare proposing you something different and will offer you the same thing everytime...
Yes it's side content, as useful as Lord of Verminion, yes. But it's still content, and some people will enjoy it.

Regular jobs are coming at 5.0, too bad for those who (wrongly) expected BLU to be one.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And then again, who told you the devs had to deliver a regular job at patch 4.5 ?
They want to experiment - you don't like it, then yell at them or unsub to show your miscontent - in the future, they won't dare proposing you something different and will offer you the same thing everytime...
Yes it's side content, as useful as Lord of Verminion, yes. But it's still content, and some people will enjoy it.

Regular jobs are coming at 5.0, too bad for those who (wrongly) expected BLU to be one.

This is a false dichotomy. You're basically saying if they try something new—which is debatable in the context of BLU to begin with—people either have to appreciate it the devs will never try anything new again. When people argue for changing up the formula, they mean the same tomestone grind and predictable pattern FFXIV has followed for years. BLU doesn't necessary change that. Furthermore, no one is asking they abandon the Masked Carnival or even the concept as a whole. They're taking umbrage with the notion BLU is just impossible to balance due to job identity despite this never being a compare previously. This thread points out the fallacy of that stance to almost a comical degree. Many BLU fans want to play their favourite job in content they care about not see it relegated to being a sideshow attraction. It doesn't help the devs have a terrible record when it comes to consistently updating ideas like this. In fact, Eureka is the only example I can think of where it saw new zones each patch release. Will that happne to BLU? It remains to be seen, but people have reason to be cautious.

Put simply, just because an idea is new or different doesn't mean it's necessarily good.

[Jin-]

OP reminds me of those people who defended FO76 when it was announced.

My take on this is that solo content has much shorter lifespan than group content. So i fear blue mage will be do it once and park it to wait hopefully soon coming level cap increase

[Kaonis]

All that said, you still haven't played BLU yet...
People are making suggestions... on what ? 40 minutes of slides and a video ?
That's why it feels so absurd to me - talking about making something better... when no one has even played it yet...

It's a concept known as inference. It's one of the greatest things our brains is capable of, the capacity to predict things based around precedent and logic. Meanwhile, people seem to want to defend the fact we're getting a job that's not a job by simply saying "We haven't tried it yet". Just like how I don't need to drink a bottle of bleach to know its a bad idea, I don't need to play BLU to know that a job that won't ever be able to access current content is a bad idea.

And lets not kid ourselves, the devs have a very long precedent of implementing side content to at best mixed reviews, and typically dead on arrival or close to it. See: Diadem 1 and 2, Lords of Verminion, half the Gold Saucer, half the PVP maps, combat guildeleves, Eureka (which is only survived by the fact it has relic tied to it, but has been a major point of contention due to how uninspired it is).

So when they say BLU is going to be its own side content instead of a fully fleshed out job, of course we're not expecting it to be done right to begin with, while we lose out on an iconic and fan-favorite job for everything else in the game.

[Moogly]

It's a concept known as inference. It's one of the greatest things our brains is capable of, the capacity to predict things based around precedent and logic. Meanwhile, people seem to want to defend the fact we're getting a job that's not a job by simply saying "We haven't tried it yet". Just like how I don't need to drink a bottle of bleach to know its a bad idea, I don't need to play BLU to know that a job that won't ever be able to access current content is a bad idea.

And lets not kid ourselves, the devs have a very long precedent of implementing side content to at best mixed reviews, and typically dead on arrival or close to it. See: Diadem 1 and 2, Lords of Verminion, half the Gold Saucer, half the PVP maps, combat guildeleves, Eureka (which is only survived by the fact it has relic tied to it, but has been a major point of contention due to how uninspired it is).

So when they say BLU is going to be its own side content instead of a fully fleshed out job, of course we're not expecting it to be done right to begin with, while we lose out on an iconic and fan-favorite job for everything else in the game.

And then again all this because you expected it to be a regular job.
And again, as I said, YoshiP did say it would be something different, shall it ever make it into ffxiv.

I am often told to respect people's opinion of not liking the job.

How about you respect YoshiP's idea of a BLU in ffxiv ?
He's the game creator : it is his view of the job in a ffxiv context - understand : he doesn't view it as a raid job.
He wants to make BLU some kind of extra content ? Yes, he has all the rights to.
Hate it as much as you want, that is your point of view, hate it as much as you dislike any other idea they've been proposing us... And let's just stick to raids and dungeons ? Or do you not like that content too ? What are you playing the game for then ?
Or would you admit they did have some good idea in the past ? Then it is not failure after failure, no one is perfect, and right now in the mmo market, they're not doing bad : I guess they know what they're doing.

Again, you all had too much expectations from it, all thinking it would be a regular job.
It's almost like you all put this on yourselves, which in the end feels more comical than absurd.