All that BLU hate is just absurd

[Moogly]

Broken expectations.

We see rage thread, we see unsub thread, we see job reworking suggestion thread...
all about a piece of content that hasn't even been released.
People spent last months datamining every patch, each and every one building its own perfect fantasy of what a BLU should be.
It was more than obvious that SE was going to have a hard time pleasing everybody...

Consider this :

SE didn't have to do it - YoshiP even was asked about BLU in the past, and he clearly said that knowing how BLU worked in previous FF, it would be hard to adapt it to a ffxiv job.
So I believe they did BLU the way they did it so that it would call to hardcore FF fans, by staying true to its nature. It wasn't aimed at raid fans, who already have plenty of combat class available - and will get even more with Shadowbringers (my guess is 2 : Gunblader/tank, and Dancer/healer)

It's still a work in progress.
If it works well, who knows what the 4.5 BLU will evolve into. Don't complain as if BLU was doomed to stay the way it is forever. It's not Shadowbringers content yet... it's just a Stormblood patch. It will evolve as announced by YoshiP. So wait for 4.5, then play BLU, actually get your hands on it and play it for real : and then... well many will still complain, so go on

People also complain about monotony : it's always the same thing every patch, 4 boss, a dungeon, more MSQ... HoH is just PotD, Eureka is just Diadem....
Now we get something completely new... I won't say it's an innovation in itself, since BLU mechs have been there for a while, but they're bringing something new, at least in ffxiv. When people just spit at any new idea the devs offer us, it makes me wonder if those people really know what they want... So once in a while you want something different from raid, dungeons, trials... What is it ? What better things could the dev spend their time on ?

And people say it's solo content in a mmo game. Yes, no raid or matchmaking, but you run dungeons with a premade right ? So just get in PF (guess it should work) or get some friends to play with you!
Don't you guys have guilds ?

[Burningskull]

And people say it's solo content in a mmo game. Yes, no raid or matchmaking, but you run dungeons with a premade right ? So just get in PF (guess it should work) or get some friends to play with you!
Don't you guys have guilds ?

No I don't have an FC I also am not sitting in PF for hours waiting for a Tank and Healer to be kind enough to run something they are not going to get anything out of.

Sarcasm aside. I don't see how Blu is "Something completely new."

[Elerus]

So just get in PF (guess it should work) or get some friends to play with you!
Don't you guys have guilds ?

No, and wouldn't you know it I don't have a phone either.

[Tharnor]

We hate it because it is creating a new job system that does not integrate in any meaningful way with current content. It will also drain away resources away from the original system. There is plenty of ways op skills could have been integrated without making the class extremely overpowered and keep it FF lore friendly. It has been done with all the iconic classes in some shape and form.

Wanting change does not mean start something completely different and take resources away from existing systems. It means do more interesting things with the current systems. This game is already suffering from an extreme sense of playing several different games at once. We do not need even more added to the increasing thin pile.

[JBee]

All that BLU hate is just absurd

So is telling people they shouldn't have an opinion - or that said opinion only matters when it specifically affects them adversely.

It's a hot topic for a reason - people are trying to make sense of a new direction for content that came out of left field and to try to offer suggestions on how to make more players assumedly happy with the outcome. But a lot of it is guessing, like you are saying, sure. But Parts of it are not - some parts have already been stated as facts. And some of those facts are causing issues, and people are trying to voice their opinions and concerns. If there is a better way to do that than on these forums, I at least am all ears. I know in a previous game, there was a method where you could type /feedback and a special window would open where you could directly send in feedback on the game. They were reviewed in their morning meetings (I know - a dev called me out on it specifically one time lol), and while there was no direct response, we knew at least our voices were heard. Maybe not catered to, but heard.

Granted, I agree on people cancelling now instead of waiting is premature - and chances are they already had one foot out the door and this was likely their final straw or what they are using as an excuse.

If people were told, "Hey, we've read this thread, or that thread, and we are taking what you are suggesting and giving it serious consideration," by someone who could say that with authority, chances are most people would stop there. But instead, they have to take the approach of the squeaky wheel getting the Astral Oil.

[Skyskip]

It's only absurd to you because you clearly don't actually care about the job. I'd like to see them take your favorite job and turn it into glorified triple triad and see what you'd think of it.

I don't know how much lower expectations could be outside of 'playable job like all the others'. And they STILL missed that mark. Anyone expecting more than that was fooling themselves from the start. But we couldn't even get that.

[Derio]

Could be a deeper meaning. If Blu mage is a solo job. That means that we will get a new tank and healer for 5.0 and people will be furious because BLU cannot be played with in endgame content.

However if they made BLU a tank job I am sure people would be even angrier.

[Moogly]

We hate it because it is creating a new job system that does not integrate in any meaningful way with current content. It will also drain away resources away from the original system. There is plenty of ways op skills could have been integrated without making the class extremely overpowered and keep it FF lore friendly. It has been done with all the iconic classes in some shape and form.

As I said, it wasn't aimed to be played with current content (raid)... it's capped to lvl 50.
And here again, you talk about resources taken away... but to what better things then ? What do you want ?
You talk about plenty of ways to do it better, but guess what ? I am pretty sure there's someone out there to tell you : "it's a terrible idea you're having there"
Understand they don't want to make it a raiding (current content) job - it is their wish, the devs wish to do this. I mean it's their game...
You want regular jobs ? You'll get them at Shadowbringers.

Wanting change does not mean start something completely different and take resources away from existing systems. It means do more interesting things with the current systems. This game is already suffering from an extreme sense of playing several different games at once. We do not need even more added to the increasing thin pile.

OK.
What is it then ?
Because I'm warning you : by doing more interesting things with the current systems, you're exposing yourself to the criticism of recycling content...
Or may be you meant something else ?

@Burningskull and Elerus
You guys don't have fc, or friends (or phones)
I can be your friend :3 (but i don't have a phone to give u)

[Seraphor]

It's only absurd to you because you clearly don't actually care about the job. I'd like to see them take your favorite job and turn it into glorified triple triad and see what you'd think of it.

I don't know how much lower expectations could be outside of 'playable job like all the others'. And they STILL missed that mark. Anyone expecting more than that was fooling themselves from the start. But we couldn't even get that.

I care about the job, and I'm looking forward to this version of a Blue Mage much more than i would if it were a standard caster job.
I'm far more enthusiastic about actually hunting down and learning these skills than i am about spamming aqualung on omega 500 times for tombstones.

Calling it a glorified triple triad game is hyperbole and blatantly misrepresenting it, its a job like any other, and it can play the same content as any other with some minor exceptions, some of which might change, sone of which will change.

1. Its capped at 50, for now, but will be increased as they develop the job.
2. Its locked out of end game content, currently via the level cap. But we dont know exactly what it will be locked out of when it reaches level 70/80, it might only be the most recent raid tier.
3. Its locked out of Duty Finder, and for good reason. All of the same content can be accessed via party finder or other premade parties. This isnt excluding it from any content, its simply not included in the matchmaking system.
4. Its currently locked out of deep dungeons, but its unlikely this will be permanent given that deep dungeons are prime solo content.

Now we should push for it to be included in as much as possible, and if we do then it could end up only being excluded from the current raid tier. That will be 4 8-man raids and a 24-man raid. Five instances out of what... dozens? Over 100? I havent counted them all.

[Shurrikhan]

As I said, it wasn't aimed to be played with current content (raid)... it's capped to lvl 50.
And here again, you talk about resources taken away... but to what better things then ? What do you want ?

I cannot speak for others, but you'll see many of these concerns echoed in others' posts as well.

All that said, you still haven't played BLU yet...
People are making suggestions... on what ? 40 minutes of slides and a video ?
That's why it feels so absurd to me - talking about making something better... when no one has even played it yet...

YoshiP and the devs do respond to players when they can, but here no one is even giving a chance at their idea...

Reason 1: We already have reason to believe that the direction is badly flawed.
Reason 2: Once implemented, designs will not see substantial revision until a year to an expansion later, if ever. If we want to be able to give any meaningful feedback, it has to be now.