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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Honestly, abandoning Crystal is the wrong thing to do, on multiple levels. I'm staying put because I don't think forcing the dev's hand AGAIN is the right decision to make as a community. Pretty much my whole FC is raiders or former raiders, and we aren't moving. We will make our own raid groups after the split.

    There are always people who are interested and willing to learn, you just have to find them.

    Also, I would recommend adding a general text chat channel haha.
    Agreed completely. They’re clearly trying to help Balmung stay where it is. If we suddenly bail they might do worse. Worse is forcing people to leave the server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Honestly, abandoning Crystal is the wrong thing to do, on multiple levels. I'm staying put because I don't think forcing the dev's hand AGAIN is the right decision to make as a community. Pretty much my whole FC is raiders or former raiders, and we aren't moving. We will make our own raid groups after the split.

    There are always people who are interested and willing to learn, you just have to find them.

    Also, I would recommend adding a general text chat channel haha. Edit: figured it out
    Yes, it's the wrong thing to want to play with your existing friend circles and be apart of an already cultivated community—one some of the very players leaving helped create all the way back in 2.0. Why should we have to put in all this work to recreate something no one asked to lose in the first place? SE isn't paying us. They aren't giving a damn thing. If people want to do that, by all means, I hope it works out for you. But no one is under any obligation to do so nor should they be forced into a situation they didn't ask for.

    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Agreed completely. They’re clearly trying to help Balmung stay where it is. If we suddenly bail they might do worse. Worse is forcing people to leave the server.
    And in doing so they won't have a congestion issue anymore. They'll have a financial one as all those players quit the game entirely. If I logged in and found myself suddenly on Coeurl, having now lost my house, static and ability to play all my friends because of SE's incompetence. They could take their servers and shove it for all I cared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Yes, it's the wrong thing to want to play with your existing friend circles and be apart of an already cultivated community—one some of the very players leaving helped create all the way back in 2.0. Why should we have to put in all this work to recreate something no one asked to lose in the first place? SE isn't paying us. They aren't giving a damn thing. If people want to do that, by all means, I hope it works out for you. But no one is under any obligation to do so nor should they be forced into a situation they didn't ask for.



    And in doing so they won't have a congestion issue anymore. They'll have a financial one as all those players quit the game entirely. If I logged in and found myself suddenly on Coeurl, having now lost my house, static and ability to play all my friends because of SE's incompetence. They could take their servers and shove it for all I cared.
    Aren't there already enough negative threads? This one was supposedly for promoted a discord server for the people choosing to stay. We can keep the negative in the rest of the threads, no? Everyone knows it sucks, some are just making the best of it they can.

    At this point, people are just going in circles anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Aren't there already enough negative threads? This one was supposedly for promoted a discord server for the people choosing to stay. We can keep the negative in the rest of the threads, no?

    At this point, people are just going in circles anyway.
    If you didn't want this to be spun in a negative light, don't write a paragraph that essentially threatens players who do want to leave or call out their decision as wrong. You want a positive dialect? Don't contribute to a negative one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    If you didn't want this to be spun in a negative light, don't write a paragraph that essentially threatens players who do want to leave or call out their decision as wrong. You want a positive dialect? Don't contribute to a negative one.
    Eh? I picked up nothing threatening about their musing on the situation. There's a legit point there concerning this urge to have everyone dogpile back onto Aether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazgrel View Post
    Eh? I picked up nothing threatening about their musing on the situation. There's a legit point there concerning this urge to have everyone dogpile back onto Aether.
    Telling people if they transfer back it will force SE's hand does border on a threat. It's essentially saying they have to just accept what happened and pick up the pieces or deal with SE's wraith. While not necessarily inaccurate, it contributes to a negative discussion and puts blame on the players. The latter is what I took issue with hence my response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Telling people if they transfer back it will force SE's hand does border on a threat. It's essentially saying they have to just accept what happened and pick up the pieces or deal with SE's wraith. While not necessarily inaccurate, it contributes to a negative discussion and puts blame on the players. The latter is what I took issue with hence my response.
    Which simply won't happen; I explained what would (likely) happen were enough people to go running back in my first reply (which was to another poster).

    Best to just let that comment go and let the OP have it's discussion concerning a CW LS for the Crystal DC. There's enough salt about the split up in other threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Telling people if they transfer back it will force SE's hand does border on a threat. It's essentially saying they have to just accept what happened and pick up the pieces or deal with SE's wraith. While not necessarily inaccurate, it contributes to a negative discussion and puts blame on the players. The latter is what I took issue with hence my response.
    Its not that people are saying they are transferring to Aether to stay with friends, this I understand perfectly, and have no issues with. It's "If you want to raid, or do EX primals, or have queues for Duty Finder at all, go to Aether. Crystal is DoA." That is the issue I have. But I don't want to further take this thread off topic, so this is where my comments to this matter here will end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Agreed completely. They’re clearly trying to help Balmung stay where it is. If we suddenly bail they might do worse. Worse is forcing people to leave the server.
    That won't happen; worst case we go from "Balmung, the server" to "Aether, the datacenter", where Aether as a whole gets locked and they offer transfers off to Crystal and/or Primal.
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