Would you raid if there was no ilvl?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

To be fair, I mostly just hear about meta and parsing on the forums or in youtube videos. But my experience back in 2.X raiding days left a huge scar on me and I'm still not over it. Tbh, I dont feel like Ive missed much though avoiding the savage versions of the raids. My gear may not be the best of the best, but it gets the job done so far in all other content and I'm totally okay with that. The story content is more-so what Im interested in.
I do miss the challenge of learning the savage mode mechanics though.

Which is fair. Bad experiences can be hard to overcome. Reddit and the like tend to overplay the importance of meta. Is it valuable? Of course. But plenty of groups even at the hardcore level don't give a damn about it. I know many groups who have brought BLM, MNK, WHM or DRK before some of the buffs they got. It all depends on the group. Parses fall under the same category. Some groups prioritize it more than others. Most use it more as an improvement tool and to make sure everyone is contributing. It's entirely up to you whether you ever want to step back into the raid scene, but with recruitment discords and a better environment thanks to cross world PF, you may it better than it has been before.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Raiding even with the ilvl for me is all about the group. If I have a nice static that I enjoy playing with, of course I'll continue the good fight with them.

If I dont have a static I tend to not raid at all or contemplate going to another game. It's never been about gear for me. Especially with raid being just harder difficulties of other fights the only other drive would be to experience a new content, but we don't have that either.

[Kaurhz]

iLv personally for me isn't as relevant given I can craft, but it would otherwise be so yes, same for most people. Though the greater issue being peoples approach and attitude towards raiding, or just group-based content in general for that matter.

[ElazulHP]

No I wouldn't because of the way gear progression in this game works. There really isn't much point I feel for me to personally spend days/weeks/whatever grinding for gear that is going to be outdated the following week or two after you get it. I'd much rather spend my time crafting, doing Eureka, hunts, or whatever casual content. They'd have to give up some massive rewards for me to want to jump back into that hamster wheel. The reward for time spent just isn't there for me.

[MicahZerrshia]

Or they'll simply complain they can't get them.

Maybe if they added more mid-core content there wouldn't be as much complaining but everything is either faceroll or savage with barely any in-between. Tome gear is great but should not equal the 24 man gear which is basically the only thing remotely close to mid core content we have. Should go Tome > Mid Core > Savage/Raid.

The only reasons ppl complain about underpowered relics is because of their special nature and the time/effort they take to make. Relics should be a powerful thing and worth the effort as well. But as it stands they take way more effort than raid tier weapons, they just require a lower skill threshold, heck sometimes they require no skill threshold. imo they should require items or wins from both easy and mid core content and rely less on fates and grinding the same mobs/primals for endless hours. They could have even used the so-called "hard mode" of dungeons for relics instead of making them just more faceroll side dungeons.

The variety the game is lacking is not just in the savage raid tier. It's even worse in the mid-core tier and if they would beef both them up and not downplay the importance of the relic I think it would make a difference.

And someone will always complain about something. SE needs to just learn they cannot make everyone happy and focus on adding more fun and interesting content for casuals, mid cores and hard core players because there is a HUGE gap as it stands now.

[Lastelli]

Maybe if they added more mid-core content there wouldn't be as much complaining but everything is either faceroll or savage with barely any in-between.

Imho the first 3 turns of savage and extreme trials are midcore content (when they're relevant). There's way more midcore content than hardcore content in the game. Thankfully they're moving in the right direction with ultimate raids.

[MicahZerrshia]

Imho the first 3 turns of savage and extreme trials are midcore content (when they're relevant). There's way more midcore content than hardcore content in the game. Thankfully they're moving in the right direction with ultimate raids.

To the average gamer, yes this is midcore content. To the average XIV player, this is hardcore content lol

[azura84]

No I wouldn't because of the way gear progression in this game works. There really isn't much point I feel for me to personally spend days/weeks/whatever grinding for gear that is going to be outdated the following week or two after you get it. I'd much rather spend my time crafting, doing Eureka, hunts, or whatever casual content. They'd have to give up some massive rewards for me to want to jump back into that hamster wheel. The reward for time spent just isn't there for me.

I'm of a very like mind, unfortunately even casual play in this game is as much of a hamster wheel. Personally, I've said this in many threads, this game needs some dynamic changes and not just instance Duty Actions. I liked XI and it's grind but Eureka isn't the same grind and provides little enjoyment along the road to a relic. Either they are choosing to try and force people who want this kind of content to change their minds or they are really just failing at "trying new things". I fear this hamster wheel may be all we ever get, which is really sad because this game has soooooo much going for it in potential.

[Yui_Tenshi]

I think there should be no iLvl minimum since we have the Party Finder minimum iLvl option available. That way you can help FC mates who aren't quite at iLvl but want the practice or clear.

[Paladinleeds]

I think there should be no iLvl minimum since we have the Party Finder minimum iLvl option available. That way you can help FC mates who aren't quite at iLvl but want the practice or clear.

Queue as a full premade and ilvl restrictions are lifted. I'd say that's the best way to do it given how the EU/NA community tends to operate.