Question about loot etiquette

[tdb]

blame should be forwarded to S-E for allowing the same token to be exchanged for gear and items that can be sold on the market board.

I'd actually be more annoyed at SE for having a bolt turn in (you actually need two to get a roll) when they are annoying to get as it is.

This. The bolts are already the most useful part for a number of reasons (five of them needed for a full set; you only need one to get an item; you can't wear two scaevan rings), and then SE decides that this is the one part they want to use as the currency for orchestrion rolls too? Meanwhile I've seen pedals rot because no one wanted them.

[Vidu]

This. The bolts are already the most useful part for a number of reasons (five of them needed for a full set; you only need one to get an item; you can't wear two scaevan rings), and then SE decides that this is the one part they want to use as the currency for orchestrion rolls too? Meanwhile I've seen pedals rot because no one wanted them.

...its not like the Alphascape NM jewerly would be the only ilvl380 stuff though - you can get crafted gear without much trouble (from the market board, selfmade, commissioned by a crafter - seriously... no one in my FC has to run Alpha to get gear-upgrades, because we have enough crafters around who can make them.)

And you can upgrade one Scaevan ring to ilvl400 and then buy a second one. Just need to clear O10S. (And by clearing O9S you'll also have a shot at more ilvl400 stuff)
Oh... you dont raid, you say? Then you dont need that ilvl anyways. For dungeons you're perfectly fine with ilvl370 or even 360 stuff. Even for EX-primals you're fine with wearing an ilvl370 ring.

You most likely dont even want the full set from AlphaNM - if you're so concercend about ilvl and people outrolling you on loot you "need", you should actually first check wether or not you do, aka what substats your job wants and if you get those on the NM, crafted or tomestone piece (...or the Savage-one, if you do raid after all).
I find it difficult to take someone serious who blindly claims that they need all those drops and doesnt bother to check if those are actually good for their job and "semi BiS" (so to speak).

...maybe your friend was clever enough to do that and now wants the money to buy gear thats actually good for his class... regardless of wether or not he spends the gil on gear or on virtual hookers (...yes, there are PFs for that from time to time...) as long as he did his fair share of the fight, he deserved his fair share of the loot - which means in this context rolling on it and potentially winning it. What he spends it on, doesnt matter.

[tdb]

Oh... you dont raid, you say? Then you dont need that ilvl anyways. For dungeons you're perfectly fine with ilvl370 or even 360 stuff. Even for EX-primals you're fine with wearing an ilvl370 ring.

Way to put words in my mouth. True, I'm not currently doing alpha savage. Our FC can't currently field a full party and based on the amounts of fail I've seen in normal alphas I'm not inclined to try savages with randoms. My friends share this sentiment. We have some recent recruits so hopefully at some points we will have enough active members. It remains to be seen if that happens before the next expansion or not.

You most likely dont even want the full set from AlphaNM - if you're so concercend about ilvl and people outrolling you on loot you "need", you should actually first check wether or not you do, aka what substats your job wants and if you get those on the NM, crafted or tomestone piece (...or the Savage-one, if you do raid after all).

Admittedly I hadn't done that at the time this little spat happened, but I did it afterwards and found out that I actually did need one more bolt. Which I got this morning. So no more bolt-related drama for me.

[BillyKaplan]

So no more bolt-related drama for me.

To be fair, it's drama you created yourself. At least this particular case.

[Vidu]

Way to put words in my mouth. True, I'm not currently doing alpha savage. Our FC can't currently field a full party and based on the amounts of fail I've seen in normal alphas I'm not inclined to try savages with randoms. My friends share this sentiment. We have some recent recruits so hopefully at some points we will have enough active members. It remains to be seen if that happens before the next expansion or not.

It wasnt intended to put words in your mouth, but rather to counter a potential argument like "But you need to do Savage to upgarde that ring!" straight away and to make the point of: If you're not able to upgrade the ring, because you dont do Savage, you dont need that high of an ilvl to begin with.

...we're also in week 8 of this raid now and you havent checked what loot you actually need...? So, at that time you actually didnt know wether or not you needed that bolt - unlike your friend, who had informed himself about what he wanted and needed. I have two bolts sitting in my inventory that I rolled on just to get something - turned out: I actually have no use for them. And I feel actually bad about that - blindly rolling on stuff isnt the way to go... grats on your bolt and grats on actually needing it after all in the end.