Make relics have the same iLVL as the Raid weapons and released at the same time

[Tint]

What do you need it for? And if you say to feel stronger and get higher numbers then why arent you raiding? Because you dont need that gear for ANY activity outside of raiding. In my eyes you are basicly asking to imbalance the game and inconvenience a part of the playerbase because you want something you honestly dont need for ANYTHING.

I need the weapon to kill things faster. Okay, you won this time, since Eureka has an ilvl synch, but in general I grind content to get better gear to kill things faster to speed up the grind. There is also more stuff to grind than just Eureka.

Of course I also need it for satisfaction, getting a nice reward at the end of all that grind just feels better. I mean raiders don't need a weapon from turn 4 either, they already have cleared the highest content and you can't progress the next tier with it because of the ilvl increase. So why is the reward for clearing turn 4 of a current raidtier a rel weapon instead of a glamour one?

[Lastelli]

Of course I also need it for satisfaction, getting a nice reward at the end of all that grind just feels better. I mean raiders don't need a weapon from turn 4 either, they already have cleared the highest content and you can't progress the next tier with it because of the ilvl increase. So why is the reward for clearing turn 4 of a current raidtier a rel weapon instead of a glamour one?

Speedrunning and optimization. Something casual players aren't even interested in. Also, most jrpg reward the best gear after defeating the most powerful enemies in the game, that's always been the case. Not sure what you want to prove. Should the game reward the best gear to mediocre players that hit enrage multiple times because "they need it to kill the boss"? That's not how reward systems are designed.

This is the reason I often wait til the tiers are unlocked before doing my runs. 6 weeks for a belt? 8 weeks for a weapon or chest? A month for a damn ACCESSORY? Plus half the time, the static goes full retard and decides to not give its second strongest DPS (only to the BLM mind you!) the damn tome piece and upgrade?

I've had enough of that crap, and tbh I lose nothing by waiting

It really depends on why you raid. Many players, myself included, like to raid for the challenge. Obtaining better gear is only a nice bonus that's useful to kill the bosses faster and see you far we can go as a group.

[RhonanEastarian]

I need the weapon to kill things faster. Okay, you won this time, since Eureka has an ilvl synch, but in general I grind content to get better gear to kill things faster to speed up the grind. There is also more stuff to grind than just Eureka.

Of course I also need it for satisfaction, getting a nice reward at the end of all that grind just feels better. I mean raiders don't need a weapon from turn 4 either, they already have cleared the highest content and you can't progress the next tier with it because of the ilvl increase. So why is the reward for clearing turn 4 of a current raidtier a rel weapon instead of a glamour one?

The way I see it bis weapon drop from turn 4 raid is a gear boost to help out in future raid content? Having your entire raid static aquiring turn 4 raid weapon makes it easier to clear and kill the next raid tier thats released. It is extremely helpfull for re-killing and farming the bosses for the rest of your gear / mount as well. Its a high end reward for high end play wich helps with high end content farming and future progress.

This is not about winning, this is about rewarding different players with different loot and rewards viable and sensible for the content they are doing. You are not partaking in endgame raiding, you dont need it. You are literally admitting you just want it because. Well then get to raiding? Theres been times in my life where I had to quit raiding for periods of time sometimes up towards a year or more. And I never complained about not having bis gear and not having acces to rewards and content exclusive for those dedicated and hard working enough to clear said content.

Sorry but your "just cause" reason is hogwash. You dont deserve it, you dont need it, if you want it you know what you have to do. And if you dont have time or oportunity to do so then too bad thats life.

You dont see me complain I dont get paid as much as my boss at work irl. Different rewards for different work. If I was to get as much or more money paid out then my boss, then my boss would feel cheated and possibly quit to work at ground level and make more. When it comes to gear incentives in MMOs it works the same way for anyone who remotely cares about character growth and strength. If you get the best gear for doing less then why do more? It wont encourage growth or motivate people INTO raiding, most likely it would demotivate alot of people from raiding endgame even if they can. Basicly diminishing the allready small minority dedicated raiding comunity.

And again you and others are asking for this "cause I wants it Q_Q"

You know what the reward is, you know what you have to do to get it. Go do it or stop complaining. And unless you have any valid or logical points to properly discuss and further your case I would highly recomend you dont engage in further talks about this. You come of as very whiny, immature and spoiled.

[Tint]

This is not about winning, this is about rewarding different players with different loot and rewards viable and sensible for the content they are doing. You are not partaking in endgame raiding, you dont need it. You are literally admitting you just want it because. Well then get to raiding?

I don't want to be rewarded for raids, I don't like raiding. I want to be rewarded for grinding, because that's what I like doing. I said earlier that the relic don't has to be as good as the raidweapon, but it should be better than the tomestone weapon!

By the way I still have not seen a proper reason why the raidweapon has to be the best weapon in the game, other than "just because". And no, you are not using it to progress the next raid tier. You throw the weapon away and get the new crafted or ex trial weapon.

Chunk off a few seconds from a monster you grind can make a huge difference when you kill thousands of these things. It's as viable as a reason to have a better weapons as doing speedruns and stuff. But in the end it's both "just because".

Grinding and raiding can co-exist, but as long as the tomestone weapon is so easily obtainable and on the same, or even higher level of the relic, what's the point of grinding for the relic?

You know what the reward is, you know what you have to do to get it. Go do it or stop complaining. And unless you have any valid or logical points to properly discuss and further your case I would highly recomend you dont engage in further talks about this. You come of as very whiny, immature and spoiled.

lol

[RhonanEastarian]

I don't want to be rewarded for raids, I don't like raiding. I want to be rewarded for grinding, because that's what I like doing. I said earlier that the relic don't has to be as good as the raidweapon, but it should be better than the tomestone weapon!

By the way I still have not seen a proper reason why the raidweapon has to be the best weapon in the game, other than "just because". And no, you are not using it to progress the next raid tier. You throw the weapon away and get the new crafted or ex trial weapon.

Chunk off a few seconds from a monster you grind can make a huge difference when you kill thousands of these things. It's as viable as a reason to have a better weapons as doing speedruns and stuff. But in the end it's both "just because".

Grinding and raiding can co-exist, but as long as the tomestone weapon is so easily obtainable and on the same, or even higher level of the relic, what's the point of grinding for the relic?

Finaly you make some actuall points I can understand and that makes sense. Tho your "gotcha" way of discussing is annoying to me I can see where you are coming from now.

So basicly on the ground level of things we actually agree and want the same thing. We both want to partake in our own content without feeling forced to do content we dont want to do and not feel like we are performing worse due to not partaking in said content.

Taken my time to think about it, the only way for both of us to be contempt as well as most of the playerbase (I am speculating and not speaking on the behalf of everyone here) would be to further split apart the gear rewards for different content.

How about this, different contents gear rewards giving you passives, stat or ilvl buffs for partaking in the content you are doing. Example, Eureka weapon having 405ilvl and giving you a passive buff either to your spells/skills or a flat stat buff whenever you are inside Eureka or doing open world content like hunts. fates or beast tribe quests etc.

405ilvl raid weapon doing the same for raid and trial duties.

And then you can have the tomestone weapon beeing uppgradeable to 405ilvl and start at 390ilvl without any passive buffs making it the generic weapon good for both but not the best?

This would personalise the rewards to whatever content you are doing while also giving a middle down the road tome weapon reward to help progression with both and not mess with the current gear progression curve for raiders?

A philosophy in MMO game design that I am personaly a big fan off. Giving multiple options for different players and rewards relevant to the content they are partaking in.

I am tempted to further discuss our points that we had, but I dont think it would go anywhere. Its more down to a different point of view from different players, and I`d rather enjoy speculating about possible solutions or changes to the game to make players more happy now that you have given me your point of view and I can actually understand where you are coming from. There is no reason why raiding weapon should be the best for grinding or vise versa. At best you could make the "raiders put more effort inn" aproach but even then effort can both be meassured in skill and time investment.

PS: Ultimate weapons imo should allways be bis for their relevant tier as it requires a way higher time and skill investment then all other content. If you beat ultimate while its current content you deserve to smash any other content you want with a OP weapon for a while.