Make relics have the same iLVL as the Raid weapons and released at the same time

[HyoMinPark]

It is for some people like to see the big numbers

By the time the Eureka weapon is BiS, Savage will probably have Echo anyways, and most speedrunners will have already secured their no-Echo parse runs way beforehand. As it stands now, there’s already a lot of high-end raiders that aren’t even participating in Alphascape.

[valho]

It is for some people like to see the big numbers

By that time the big numbers won't matter anyway with Alphascape already being farmed to death. It's a situation where it's too late to makes any difference and by the time the expansion is release it's already obsolete. It's nothing but glamour at this point, I know I won't even bother with it unless the whole thing is nerf to the ground.

[hynaku]

With the amount time and effort it take to max out each relic piece. They should make armor ilvl 400 and weapon ilvl 405. Pretty sure raid and tomes gear will be easier to get and take less time than relic gear will.

[HyoMinPark]

With the amount time and effort it take to max out each relic piece. They should make armor ilvl 400 and weapon ilvl 405. Pretty sure raid and tomes gear will be easier to get and take less time than relic gear will.

Except the i350 Anemos armor and i355 weapons didn’t take that much time nor effort to achieve—I had all 15 weapons before 4.3 even dropped and half of the gear sets completed just from riding the NM train a few evenings a week. And I’m still sitting on 36 Pazuzu feathers and ~500 unused Anemos crystals.

The only time-consuming aspect of Eureka is the dumpster fire that is Pagos, though, from what I understand, it’s gotten slightly better. If Pyros is going to be “similar to Anemos” (as the developers keep saying), it’s very possible that the relic armor and weapons included in it will not take nearly as long as a single Elemental weapon from Pagos took.

That being said, statics that raid and progress through Savage spend far more time and effort getting their gear and weapons.

[CorbinDallas]

That being said, statics that raid and progress through Savage spend far more time and effort getting their gear and weapons.

16 weeks maximum on Chaos for all 4 BiS healers accessories! Woohooooooooo end me

[RhonanEastarian]

So what you are saying is that as a casual less skilled raider who tries to keep uppdated with bis items in order to help my static in any way I can to overcome gear and dps checks, should have to farm eureka for bis gear because the non-raiders who doesnt even need the gear wants high item level stuff?

You want me to feel forced into either feeling like I am dragging down my static by not farming eureka or partaking in extremely time consuming content I have no interest in doing? Because you want high item level stuff you dont use?

Eureka gear is perfect as is, its a way to get gear for your alts or get new players decked out in some more easily obtainable and constantly farmable gear to get started. Or maybe some glam glams.

Tho I suspect later on in the patch cycles before next expansion they will uppgrade the item level of eureka gear to competative levels. Wich means casuals gets their item levels and I have hopefully cleared the content before then (still stuck at O11 savage close to enrage) so I dont have to care and can ignore it until next expansion.

As someone who has been playing MMOs for over a decade, at all levels of non-raider to casual raiding to hardcore raiding. Let me ask whoever supports and wants competative to raid gear obtainable by casual play.

What do you need it for? And if you say to feel stronger and get higher numbers then why arent you raiding? Because you dont need that gear for ANY activity outside of raiding. In my eyes you are basicly asking to imbalance the game and inconvenience a part of the playerbase because you want something you honestly dont need for ANYTHING.

[Tint]

What do you need it for? And if you say to feel stronger and get higher numbers then why arent you raiding? Because you dont need that gear for ANY activity outside of raiding. In my eyes you are basicly asking to imbalance the game and inconvenience a part of the playerbase because you want something you honestly dont need for ANYTHING.

I need the weapon to kill things faster. Okay, you won this time, since Eureka has an ilvl synch, but in general I grind content to get better gear to kill things faster to speed up the grind. There is also more stuff to grind than just Eureka.

Of course I also need it for satisfaction, getting a nice reward at the end of all that grind just feels better. I mean raiders don't need a weapon from turn 4 either, they already have cleared the highest content and you can't progress the next tier with it because of the ilvl increase. So why is the reward for clearing turn 4 of a current raidtier a rel weapon instead of a glamour one?

[Aquaslash]

16 weeks maximum on Chaos for all 4 BiS healers accessories! Woohooooooooo end me

This is the reason I often wait til the tiers are unlocked before doing my runs. 6 weeks for a belt? 8 weeks for a weapon or chest? A month for a damn ACCESSORY? Plus half the time, the static goes full retard and decides to not give its second strongest DPS (only to the BLM mind you!) the damn tome piece and upgrade?

I've had enough of that crap, and tbh I lose nothing by waiting

[Lastelli]

Of course I also need it for satisfaction, getting a nice reward at the end of all that grind just feels better. I mean raiders don't need a weapon from turn 4 either, they already have cleared the highest content and you can't progress the next tier with it because of the ilvl increase. So why is the reward for clearing turn 4 of a current raidtier a rel weapon instead of a glamour one?

Speedrunning and optimization. Something casual players aren't even interested in. Also, most jrpg reward the best gear after defeating the most powerful enemies in the game, that's always been the case. Not sure what you want to prove. Should the game reward the best gear to mediocre players that hit enrage multiple times because "they need it to kill the boss"? That's not how reward systems are designed.

This is the reason I often wait til the tiers are unlocked before doing my runs. 6 weeks for a belt? 8 weeks for a weapon or chest? A month for a damn ACCESSORY? Plus half the time, the static goes full retard and decides to not give its second strongest DPS (only to the BLM mind you!) the damn tome piece and upgrade?

I've had enough of that crap, and tbh I lose nothing by waiting

It really depends on why you raid. Many players, myself included, like to raid for the challenge. Obtaining better gear is only a nice bonus that's useful to kill the bosses faster and see you far we can go as a group.

[HyoMinPark]

This is the reason I often wait til the tiers are unlocked before doing my runs. 6 weeks for a belt? 8 weeks for a weapon or chest? A month for a damn ACCESSORY? Plus half the time, the static goes full retard and decides to not give its second strongest DPS (only to the BLM mind you!) the damn tome piece and upgrade?

I've had enough of that crap, and tbh I lose nothing by waiting

(It’s an aside but...) Honestly, I think a “trade down” system would be nice for Savage pages.

For example, I always end up with an abundance of second-tier or third-tier books, especially if I don’t need the pants for the third-floor and only need a couple weaves (I had 10 V6S books by the time I finished running Sigmascape, and this was before it was even unlocked). I’d like to be able to trade down second-floor or third-floor books for first-floor books. Because the first floor and the accessories always tend to take the longest for any given job short of terrible RNG for the last floor if you been weapon + body piece (and, even then, addition of the coffer helps with that...but only if you’re in a static setting were everyone gets one after 8 weeks).