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[Spiroth]

So...the lvl 50 S ranks have mechanics when they die in 5 seconds? I'm sure the SB ones do as they're lvl appropriate what I mean is scale them to lvl 70 all the hunt ranks and base it off how many people are engaged with fighting the monster that way it's not a steam roll get in get out kinda thing that way it makes it more worth while. I mean you're free to like what you like how it stands right now most Hunts <70 just add nothing but a quick smack and get your seals so yay?

I like the cryptic ideas of spawning S ranks but in the end they're nothing special, at least to me, sure there's spectacle when you first fight them but most of the time in old areas especially they die before any kind of mechanics even happen.



^ this is exactly why I believe removing or not even participating in Hunts doesn't influence the game all the hunt monsters are obsolete every expansion it's why SE needs to scale them properly or they'll have the same repeating issues they've been having for all their content so far from 2.X-4.X something needs to change in 5.0 to the Hunt and everything in actuality.

What are you talking about? I literally said "at appropriate level". And they do not die at 5 seconds with appropriate Parties lol.

Also, no, level scaling S Ranks (or any other open world content) is a huge no-no, because ARR S Ranks must adhere to that expansions Level Cap, because a player buying ARR won't be lvl 70, he will be capped at level 50. And ARR S Ranks are lvl 50 content. If they scale them, it is prone to lawsuit.

Level Syncing them would be acceptable though.

[Awful]

What are you talking about? I literally said "at appropriate level". And they do not die at 5 seconds with appropriate Parties lol.

Also, no, level scaling S Ranks is a huge no-no, because ARR S Ranks must adhere to that expansions Level Cap, because a player buying ARR won't be lvl 70, he will be capped at level 50. And ARR S Ranks are lvl 50 content. If they scale them, it is prone to lawsuit.

What...Prone to lawsuit? What're you talking about? How would that lead to a lawsuit? I thought you wanted a challenge as you said that's the reason you do them I don't see an issue with scaling all the hunts to give them more meaning rather then call out > dead > move on. It's gonna be like that next xpac where the SB hunts are going to die rather easily and so on and so forth I don't see why it has to follow "expansion level cap" that to me sounds like a cop out answer and thus makes the hunt, at least to me less meaningful then it already is.

And with our gear when we first started the xpac even in SB we have ilvl 380-400 gear vs the ilvl 300 gear we started out with so yes they don't go down in 5 seconds but they're starting to lose their longevity even now you even have to see that, sure it's fun for the social aspect and the "look guys I spawned an S rank!", but it's the same pattern over and over again and it'll lead to them being obsolete.

Bottom line is they don't scale at all from the beginning of the xpac > to the end.

[Spiroth]

What...Prone to lawsuit? What're you talking about? How would that lead to a lawsuit? I thought you wanted a challenge as you said that's the reason you do them I don't see an issue with scaling all the hunts to give them more meaning rather then call out > dead > move on. It's gonna be like that next xpac where the SB hunts are going to die rather easily and so on and so forth I don't see why it has to follow "expansion level cap" that to me sounds like a cop out answer and thus makes the hunt, at least to me less meaningful then it already is.

And with our gear when we first started the xpac even in SB we have ilvl 380-400 gear vs the ilvl 300 gear we started out with so yes they don't go down in 5 seconds but they're starting to lose their longevity even now you even have to see that, sure it's fun for the social aspect and the "look guys I spawned an S rank!", but it's the same pattern over and over again and it'll lead to them being obsolete.

1) You cannot sell me a game (ARR) that has contents that belong to it (ARR S Rank Hunts) that are not possible to be beaten with the tools provided with what you offer me in my purchase. Thus, prone to lawsuit.
2) I never said the reason I do them is because of challenge. I said they are challenging which I do like.
3) I also said they are challenging without level scaling at appropriate level / participation, aka how they are meant to be experienced.
4) They will never be obsolete. Especially if they introduce Level Sync to them. Try doing Agrippa as a Level 50 Full Party, and not as a Legion of Level 70 Alliances. Even now, if you try Agrippa as a Level 70 Light Party, he is still somewhat awesome.

[Awful]

1) You cannot sell me a game (ARR) that has contents that belong to it (ARR S Rank Hunts) that are not possible to be beaten with the tools provided with what you offer me in my purchase. Thus, prone to lawsuit.
2) I never said the reason I do them is because of challenge. I said they are challenging which I do like.
3) I also said they are challenging without level scaling at appropriate level / participation, aka how they are meant to be experienced.
4) They will never be obsolete. Especially if they introduce Level Sync to them. Try doing Agrippa as a Level 50 Full Party, and not as a Legion of Level 70 Alliances. Even now, if you try Agrippa as a Level 70 Light Party, he is still somewhat awesome.

1. Even if you have a trial account associated with ARR you can't reach max level nor can you even go to Ishgard or SB areas so that point is very moot not to mention there are level 50 hunts you can do and will give you seals, so again moot. You can and will bump into these regardless of your expansion in ARR areas that's the point you failed in this point I've had to bail (albeit rare cases) some lowbies because there was an A rank off the beaten path like in Northern Thanalan.

2. They're really not challenging it's the same mechanics just added onto an open area with a giant AoE (the A rank in Mor Dhona is almost the same as the A rank in Thanalan with the Courel) the S ranks have 1-2 mechanics at most that can be brute forced so I don't see much of a challenge take Agrippa since we're talking about him, he has buffs that you need to look for so you don't kill yourself that's about it. He's just a glorified mech that you've fought before combined with a Claw monster he has Exhaust and Grand Sword the only difference is it applies vulen.

3. Well there isn't a level sync that's the games fault for not providing it within the game it's not the expansions fault when you yourself are lvl 50 and your lvl 70 friends summoned and kill it so this is a horrible point to try and make valid as you can't validate content for someone who can't even reach max lvl because within the first couple of hours they are going to consciously want to continue and buy the expansion or not. Everyone's different so you can't say "it's expansion locked! It's not fair!" when there's lvl 50 A rank hunts in places like Middle La Noscea and such that people under lvl 50 die to because it can spawn anywhere.

4. That's if they do and I have done Agrippa back in ARR back when he was challenging, you can't compare lvl 50 to lvl 70 being somewhat awesome you can solo him as a healer/rdm/pld/war I could go on there is no challenge in doing lvl 50 hunts that's the point i'm trying to make yet you give me these half arsed comments about it being some spectacle and gated behind an expansion when it's not.

[Spiroth]

1. Even if you have a trial account associated with ARR you can't reach max level nor can you even go to Ishgard or SB areas so that point is very moot not to mention there are level 50 hunts you can do and will give you seals, so again moot. You can and will bump into these regardless of your expansion in ARR areas that's the point you failed in this point I've had to bail (albeit rare cases) some lowbies because there was an A rank off the beaten path like in Northern Thanalan.

2. They're really not challenging it's the same mechanics just added onto an open area with a giant AoE (the A rank in Mor Dhona is almost the same as the A rank in Thanalan with the Courel) the S ranks have 1-2 mechanics at most that can be brute forced so I don't see much of a challenge take Agrippa since we're talking about him, he has buffs that you need to look for so you don't kill yourself that's about it. He's just a glorified mech that you've fought before combined with a Claw monster he has Exhaust and Grand Sword the only difference is it applies vulen.

3. Well there isn't a level sync that's the games fault for not providing it within the game it's not the expansions fault when you yourself are lvl 50 and your lvl 70 friends summoned and kill it so this is a horrible point to try and make valid as you can't validate content for someone who can't even reach max lvl because within the first couple of hours they are going to consciously want to continue and buy the expansion or not. Everyone's different so you can't say "it's expansion locked! It's not fair!" when there's lvl 50 A rank hunts in places like Middle La Noscea and such that people under lvl 50 die to because it can spawn anywhere.

4. That's if they do and I have done Agrippa back in ARR back when he was challenging, you can't compare lvl 50 to lvl 70 being somewhat awesome you can solo him as a healer/rdm/pld/war I could go on there is no challenge in doing lvl 50 hunts that's the point i'm trying to make yet you give me these half arsed comments about it being some spectacle and gated behind an expansion when it's not.

1) They are awesome at appropriate level, with appropriate Party, aka as intended.
2) They must be able to be beaten at appropriate level, with appropriate Party. A level 50 mob outside middle la noscea is still beatable by a Full Party of level 50 ARR only friends, so they level up and come back.
3) There is no such thing as early puller, only late arrival.
4) Resetting someone's open world battle, is griefing. Doesn't matter if it is a Hunt or a Hunting Log Monster.
5) You haven't fought Agrippa back in ARR, seeing as you joined after heavensward was launched.
6) There isn't a level sync, so hopefully they add it for S Ranks, and the salt stops, because everything will transform to the Lochs due to this much salt.

[Aylis]

1) You cannot sell me a game (ARR) that has contents that belong to it (ARR S Rank Hunts) that are not possible to be beaten with the tools provided with what you offer me in my purchase. Thus, prone to lawsuit.

If anything 1.0 showed us that it isn't. Max level for players was level 50. The max level of monsters off the beaten path was level 99 and had no issues one shotting any player regardless of level or equipment.

[Spiroth]

If anything 1.0 showed us that it isn't. Max level for players was level 50. The max level of monsters off the beaten path was level 99 and had no issues one shotting any player regardless of level or equipment.

Then it should have died a horrible death by fire....

[Thamorian]

What are you talking about? I literally said "at appropriate level". And they do not die at 5 seconds with appropriate Parties lol.

Also, no, level scaling S Ranks (or any other open world content) is a huge no-no, because ARR S Ranks must adhere to that expansions Level Cap, because a player buying ARR won't be lvl 70, he will be capped at level 50. And ARR S Ranks are lvl 50 content. If they scale them, it is prone to lawsuit.

Level Syncing them would be acceptable though.

I'd be totally cool with a level sync system in place.

[Spiroth]

I'd be totally cool with a level sync system in place.

Me too.
I seriously can't wait to be able to do all S Ranks as a level appropriate, Minimum ilvl, 8-Man Party someday.