Can we discuss how abusive the GM department is when it comes to 'Grief Tactics'? A

[Totomo-Omo]

I've seen this before and it's known in the hunt community that resetting a hunt mark is indeed reportable.

I definitely agree it's ridiculous.
S rank spawners who share hunts do a tremendous amount of work for the community, S ranks take a great deal of time investment to spawn consistently and the hunt community and linkshell network brings thousands of players together.
Resetting a hunt mark to grief a group should indeed be bannable, but resetting so that 50 other players can get there in time benefits 50 players positively and is perfectly reasonable.

Considering you can openly admit you parse on the forums as long as you aren't a douche about it, despite the fact the ToS strictly prohibits it, you'd think the investigating GM could use some common sense in this situation too and not reward the player aiming to ruin the gaming experience for the rest of their server.

All of this. I agree with you 100%, but as much as SE claims their investigations are "thorough and conclusive", they're about as half-baked as can get.

[Vahlnir]

It is called "The hunt" not "The wait". There is no such thing as pulling early. If I find a hunt and want to kill it myself, I have that right. You have no right to reset that hunt, which would remove all my accumulated credit. Depending on the rank, I may not be able to get enough credit if you've waited for the whole server to show up. Resetting a hunt is griefing, pure and simple.

I've come across people killing ARR A ranks solo myself. I remember coming across a PLD recently in Western Thanalan soloing an A rank. Hope they didn't mind me jumping in but it was there and so was I. It is definitely someone's right to do so if they wish. Whoever finds it basically calls the shots. They can either report it, or they can go ham.

[Totomo-Omo]

It is called "The hunt" not "The wait". There is no such thing as pulling early. If I find a hunt and want to kill it myself, I have that right. You have no right to reset that hunt, which would remove all my accumulated credit. Depending on the rank, I may not be able to get enough credit if you've waited for the whole server to show up. Same thing for me, if I pop or find a hunt and engage, I can't reset it if there are others fighting, because that isn't fair to them and their accumulated credit. Resetting a hunt is griefing, pure and simple.

Except you did nothing to contribute to spawning the hunt in this case. It's entitlement like this that drives people that actually do the work in spawning S Ranks away. Or make it where we just spawn the S Ranks for ourselves and don't relay to others to foster this kind of entitled mindset.

[Vahlnir]

Except you did nothing to contribute to spawning the hunt in this case. It's entitlement like this that drives people that actually do the work in spawning S Ranks away. Or make it where we just spawn the S Ranks for ourselves and don't relay to others to foster this kind of entitled mindset.

It is common courtesy to wait for those who spawned it, I agree. However, there is no rule stating that whoever finds it needs to wait for anyone. They should, but they don't have to.

[KageTokage]

How can you get reported by a bot? Are they learning!?

If you get reported by a bot, it means that either:

1. It wasn't actually a bot.

2. It was a bot, but their owner was monitoring it to see you trying to disrupt them. Not terribly uncommon as they're frequently being multi-boxed alongside someone's main account.

[Totomo-Omo]

If you get reported by a bot, it means that either:

1. It wasn't actually a bot.

2. It was a bot, but their owner was monitoring it to see you trying to disrupt them.

It's the latter case in a lot of these. Many of them are obvious bots.

Eventually they found out they can just use hacks to prevent you from breaking their botting programs. They just warp somewhere you can't access in the game without hacking then teleport away.

Meanwhile it feels like no matter how much you report these bots, you still see the exact same ones running around weeks later.

[KaplanHomahru]

Except you did nothing to contribute to spawning the hunt in this case. It's entitlement like this that drives people that actually do the work in spawning S Ranks away. Or make it where we just spawn the S Ranks for ourselves and don't relay to others to foster this kind of entitled mindset.

That doesn't matter in the slightest bit. If someone found or found out about and is now fighting a hunt, you can't reset it. Especially if you're resetting it after a bunch more people showed up, lowering the chance of getting credit.

And yes, if someone finds or pops an S rank, they absolutely have the right to solo it or just tell their friends about it. This is fair, because again, it is called "The hunt" and not something like "Sit in a linkshell and wait for coordinates"

[LeoLupinos]

Getting someone a ban just for reseting a Mob that is killed within 5min? Seriously? I would feel a shame if I ever done a report for such minimal thing.

"You're not obrigated to wait others for pulling", that's why I don't bother with hunts anymore, that's because of this behavior and for players actually encouraging that early pulling is all right that this is really not worth my time and effort to get there and get nothing.

It's true that there's no rule for early pulling. Although it's not called a rule, but common sense. If others did wait for you, it's common sense for you to wait for others too.

[JunseiKei]

Except you did nothing to contribute to spawning the hunt in this case. It's entitlement like this that drives people that actually do the work in spawning S Ranks away. Or make it where we just spawn the S Ranks for ourselves and don't relay to others to foster this kind of entitled mindset.

Open world mobs, which all hunts are, are treated no differently than that Lady Bug you've run by 7,000 times just outside Limsa. It doesn't matter if it took "work" to spawn the S rank. As it is, there is no requirement to even gather other people to do hunts - people did so because they were too tough to solo. Once expansions came out that rendered those hunts solo-able, people did. Just like there's no requirement to report kills to an outside tracker (if anything, there should be an in-game timer/window in the hunt log that tells you if a hunt if open or not open).

[JackHatchet]

Sounds like a Joel thing, lol