Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I feel like I do though but I guess that isn’t enough because I was kicked from a raid a few years ago when I was trying to learn

If you were kicked after only a single wipe, then something certainly went amiss. Either aggro was all over the place, your rotation was or you died repeatedly. While you could have simply been troll kicked so someone could invite their friend, those instances are typically rare. Regardless of the reason, all you can do is access why you might have been kicked and try to improve. Personally, I wouldn't kick after a single wipe, especially not with new players, but some people will. Not use letting it bother you now.

[SerLuke]

I mean, obvious bait is obvious, but this is just so ridiculous lol

You guys need to stop with these crazy over the top exaggerations that all these poor under performing players are horrible victims of these huge injustices when in my experience this stuff never happens in-game. Everyone just usually grumbles silently and leaves, or hoists the dead weight on their shoulders and drags it up the hill.

Either way no one is advocating any of this nonsense lol

There are PFs literally saying they will kick people for one mistake I see them all time time.

[Zephera]

There are PFs literally saying they will kick people for one mistake I see them all time time.

You don't have to join them though. They're not like the Duty Finder.

[Miste]

There are PFs literally saying they will kick people for one mistake I see them all time time.

In my experience it is not the majority?

You don't have to join those so that is pretty much irrelevant. Join one that doesn't say that or create your own PF and make the rules.

[SerLuke]

If you were kicked after only a single wipe, then something certainly went amiss. Either aggro was all over the place, your rotation was or you died repeatedly. While you could have simply been troll kicked so someone could invite their friend, those instances are typically rare. Regardless of the reason, all you can do is access why you might have been kicked and try to improve. Personally, I wouldn't kick after a single wipe, especially not with new players, but some people will. Not use letting it bother you now.

I make it a point to make sure I have aggro maybe even I over compensate for it, my problem with that raid back then was I didn’t realize the floor aoe was marked with a different color so I got pushed off(it was A3) but I’ve learenwd now to be more observant, I just wish someone would have explained that to me instead of kicking me after one wipe without saying a world, when people politely give me advice I’m usually pretty reciptive.

[Legion88]

There are PFs literally saying they will kick people for one mistake I see them all time time.

And nothing will stop me from creating them, because i don't want and don't have to downgrade my clear or farm parties to practice and learning parties.
My PF party, my rules.
If you don't like them, don't join.

[SerLuke]

And nothing will stop me from creating them, because i don't want and don't have to downgrade my clear or farm parties to practice and learning parties.
My PF party, my rules.
If you don't like them, don't join.

Do you leave if you make a mistake?

[Miste]

I make it a point to make sure I have aggro maybe even I over compensate for it, my problem with that raid back then was I didn’t realize the floor aoe was marked with a different color so I got pushed off(it was A3) but I’ve learenwd now to be more observant, I just wish someone would have explained that to me instead of kicking me after one wipe without saying a world, when people politely give me advice I’m usually pretty reciptive.

Yeah it sucks that they kicked you like that, but just let it slide off. Improving is always a good step, but don't lament on being kicked in the past, you can't change it, it happened, it is over now. Just do what you can to learn and play the best you can so it helps you and everyone you play with.

[Gallus]

Please don't generalize raiders on the actions of one idiot. Most raiders I know, who range from casual Savage proggers to WF players, would make fun of someone "babyraging" over sitting out a boss because they missed a heal.



Bad is merely a reference in this thread, not something I suspect many say outright unless it's an accurate description. If I have a healer who simply isn't healing properly, which is causing me to come close to hitting the floor or actually hitting it, I typically say in check, "I need to be healed" or something to that effect. If it's a persistent problem, I simply issue a vote dismal because I have neither the time nor desire to waste arguing with someone who should know the basics of their job in o11n.

No bad is sadly not a reference, insults on the internet are something the average player has normalized. And every day that passes you keep digging yourselves deeper in the sewers you are all creating. You don't go around insulting because people deserve it, you do it because you can and because there's almost complete impunity when doing so online.

I've heard a lot of people in this thread mention that "people are too sensitive". It's absolutely the other way around. You guys have no business approaching strangers and offering friendly advice in the form of harassment, because that's the only real problem here.

[Vaer]

Do you leave if you make a mistake?

TBH in my experience those PFs don't actually kick people after 1 mistake - most of the time I feel like it's just there to scare people into not joining/trying to get people who are confident. Some of them do, but most of them don't seem to care as long as the group clears consistently. It only leads to kicks if there is someone 100% has no idea what they are doing (it's easy to tell anyways if you know the mechanics) and preventing the group from clearing.

Most of the time it's a pain to leave the instance, kick the person and then refill the party. Multiple people can just leave at that point.