Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[SerLuke]

Exactly^
We had a rude tank in alphascape last week that kept insulting the smn. We had a few wipes but funny how when we replaced him we never had one wipe and cleared fine

Same, my friend and I were running A12 for a first time clear we had some trouble and a few wipes and some toxic people, and then lots of people left then after the we got replacements we got the clear on the first pull.

[SerLuke]

O12* sorry no auto edit button on phone

[CorbinDallas]

His first post on the forum too, what a great impression.

[Lorgana]

What's this, more excuses for bad players? Get outta hereeeeeee

[SekkerOfTrust]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an attitude most of raiders does. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and does and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders are holding his ego cuz this game has to much content and people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will see ppl banishes from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

[Daibunnie]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an atritudemost of raiders doesnt. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and do and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders arw holding his ego cuzthis game has to much contentand people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will of ppl banish from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

How long did it take you to type that up?

[KaivaC]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an attitude most of raiders does. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and does and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders are holding his ego cuz this game has to much content and people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will see ppl banishes from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

Well...you poked the hornet's nest...you can't get mad when hornets are understandably irked when yet another person unjustifiably portrays an overall group of players based on some bad players they ran into. Have you ever played with players on Aether? Primal? Elemental? Or is your limited experience just what you experienced on Chaos? Kinda painting a wide picture based on your experience with just one datacentre. Just sayin, but you do you. Just don't open a box that you aren't prepared to have opened for you. People get curious, ya know.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

[Vidu]

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

I'm on Chaos aswell and I dont share your experience. While I raid with my static, I tend to do a lot of Ex-primal farms using PF and while I run into the occassional rage-quitter, every dismissal I can recall right now because someone messed up big time when they really shouldnt have - repeating the same mistake for the third time, not being able to handle mechanics in a Clear group, stuff like that.

And of course people need to vent about the actual bad players they come across in DF! We have a whole thread dedicated to that here on the forums and trust me: Its not only raiders who post their, its pretty much everyone.
There is a huge difference between someone telling their friends/FC/LS/the forum about "This aweful bard" they just had in their expert roulette and telling that bard "hey, you really suck!"
And honestly: If someone hasnt figured out the basics of their job and gameplay by level 70, they're not much better than a deliberate troll in my book.

[Daibunnie]

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

Just saw the log of when you did o12n, and from looking at it, anyone can tell you you got carried all the way through it. Not only is your dps as a whm is almost nonexistent, you didn’t even do much healing. No medica 2, no cures, only assize 4 times. This is primarily why you’re getting kicked from savage parties, almost no usage of your skills and no contribution. New player or not, this doesn’t excuse your party having to carry you through content that isn’t even savage.