Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Dragoon4life]

I really don’t mind grinding. I grind all the time for glams, primal mounts, etc. but I’ve always hated when relics include RNG. We’ve suffered enough. Your paying customers have spoken. The RNG should be backwards in Pagos. I should rarely ever not see a light, much less a feeble. Put crystals in the treasure boxes and give us 3-5 daily quests. No one cared about making the exit more visable when (leave) is instant option. Save Eureka now b4 it’s too late. Please

[Rhindas]

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

I agree with this.

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Because in 99 (completed) fights, the mount is yours no matter your luck. If it took you all 99 wins to get that mount because your luck didn't let it drop and/or let you win the lot, that mount is *guaranteed* to be yours after 99 wins. No. Matter. What. Not to mention you likely have a full arsenal of weaponry out of it too. Guaranteed, tangible winnings? Easy choice.

Then there's Pagos. Sure, you're not guaranteed to get those 99 wins easily in the Extremes, but I can tell you I've killed well more than 99 enemies and spent well more than the amount of time in my course of grinding to get one weapon than I did getting a mount...and I never got it. I quit. I realized I spent too much time gambling when I could've spent it gearing up another job, or even playing another game (which is a discussion in and of itself).

Anemos was tedious and a lot of times just standing around doing nothing, but it is not comparable to what Pagos is. Pagos is "better" now, with the adjustments, but that was a low bar. There is simply too much randomness, too much gambling. It's less now, but, for me anyway, the damage is done.

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And I'm using "you" as "in general" here, people tend to get uppity about that.

[Burningskull]

I would like for Eureka to be soloable. Not being able to kill a mob of the same lvl without having a cure spell of some kind is annoying.

Or you know, just put options for the Relic outside Eureka.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Pagos is the worst kind of fake difficulty. There's nothing really hard or challenging about it, it's just inflated numbers. If it involved, say, figuring out an enemy's weakness, or learning their patterns, or anything but a target dummy that hits back, I could go for it, but it's just hitting things a whole lot until they die and then moving on to the next one for hours at a time.

[Hyperia]

So I went back in and did a lockout. What I got out of it was less than all of the amazing results people are talking about in other threads.

I almost got a full level to 32.90 and half a bar of light. We saw a total of 3 NMs and that was it, the population got to 90 and that was the best we got. I checked multiple times to see if that was the only instance before staying.

I’m glad they are trying but let’s be honest, the tuning needs to be way more aggressive. Drop mob kill requirements to spawn NMs by 75%, move all the sleeping dragons to some underground cave and lower the aetherite levels by 3 to 5 for each. Crystal drop rates on the NMs should also be boosted as I have figured that I will have all my lights before I have my crystals.

I say this because my spouse, who is stuck in Anemos, took one look at the improved Pagos, laughed and said that they will never finish the relic because of the Pagos Wall. Everybody I know felt like they were rescued from some horrible concentration camp when they finished just one Pagos weapon.

As it stands now, I am dubious if I will finish the Pagos step.

[Deceptus]

So I went back in and did a lockout. What I got out of it was less than all of the amazing results people are talking about in other threads.

I almost got a full level to 32.90 and half a bar of light. We saw a total of 3 NMs and that was it, the population got to 90 and that was the best we got. I checked multiple times to see if that was the only instance before staying.

I’m glad they are trying but let’s be honest, the tuning needs to be way more aggressive. Drop mob kill requirements to spawn NMs by 75%, move all the sleeping dragons to some underground cave and lower the aetherite levels by 3 to 5 for each. Crystal drop rates on the NMs should also be boosted as I have figured that I will have all my lights before I have my crystals.

I say this because my spouse, who is stuck in Anemos, took one look at the improved Pagos, laughed and said that they will never finish the relic because of the Pagos Wall. Everybody I know felt like they were rescued from some horrible concentration camp when they finished just one Pagos weapon.

As it stands now, I am dubious if I will finish the Pagos step.

IMHO they need to nerf mob HP a lot. Right now they're just spell sponges.

[Nixxe]

So I went back in and did a lockout. What I got out of it was less than all of the amazing results people are talking about in other threads.

I almost got a full level to 32.90 and half a bar of light. We saw a total of 3 NMs and that was it, the population got to 90 and that was the best we got. I checked multiple times to see if that was the only instance before staying.

I’m glad they are trying but let’s be honest, the tuning needs to be way more aggressive. Drop mob kill requirements to spawn NMs by 75%, move all the sleeping dragons to some underground cave and lower the aetherite levels by 3 to 5 for each. Crystal drop rates on the NMs should also be boosted as I have figured that I will have all my lights before I have my crystals.

I say this because my spouse, who is stuck in Anemos, took one look at the improved Pagos, laughed and said that they will never finish the relic because of the Pagos Wall. Everybody I know felt like they were rescued from some horrible concentration camp when they finished just one Pagos weapon.

As it stands now, I am dubious if I will finish the Pagos step.

If you're still leveling, I don't know what to tell you, but the way I do Pagos now is to queue up for it in the afternoon when there's usually a full group. Then I just sit in Icepoint with FFXIV pulled up while I read papers or do other homework. If an NM spawns, I go kill it and then go back to Icepoint. This is fairly efficient and I think I got like six bars of light from about 15 NMs while also getting Pagos crystals and Louhi ice.

[duskfall]

If you're still leveling, I don't know what to tell you, but the way I do Pagos now is to queue up for it in the afternoon when there's usually a full group. Then I just sit in Icepoint with FFXIV pulled up while I read papers or do other homework. If an NM spawns, I go kill it and then go back to Icepoint. This is fairly efficient and I think I got like six bars of light from about 15 NMs while also getting Pagos crystals and Louhi ice.

there are plenty of people that did not finish leveling in the first part of eureka, such as my self. now even if i try there is barely anyone doing nm trains : /

[DamianFatale]

I feel like I wasted my entire time in Eureka, because I’m not level 35 in Pagos, and now it feels like it’s too late.

[Bright-Flower]

I feel like I wasted my entire time in Eureka, because I’m not level 35 in Pagos, and now it feels like it’s too late.

With the nerfs in the latest patch there's probably still time, and I was still finding groups just fien the last couple weeks before 4.41. Granted I also play mostly during prime time, during slower hours there may be issues with finding groups. But it's also possible Pagos will be further nerfed when Pyros comes out anyway. And the challenge logs that you can solo were also buffed.