Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Dragoon4life]

Pagos is still bad. It’s so bad it ruined Anemos. The minor light gain is not enough to get enough ppl to come back. All of the items are still locked behind a wall of low drop %. Leveling isn’t bad any more but I honestly feel bad for those that aren’t 35 because I don’t see how they’ll ever get there. I have 1 Elemental and that’s all I’ll ever get even if I wanted to come back. Also who was asking for the exit to be more visible?

[MicahZerrshia]

idk I got 9 crystals in under 3 hours today, and another 7 after lunch in about 2, so the first 2 steps of the relic done in about 5 hours, in another 5 I should have it complete. So, I don't think the light gain in by any means minor...
Also got 4 lvls in 2 hours on my alt just afking at icepoint and joining pts for the nms on the southern half of the map, so lvling is crazy fast too now too.

It's still not well designed, but its leaps and bounds better now than it was before. If ppl want relics at least the grind is next to nothing now so if Pyros is decent it wont be any worse than the fate steps in the last 2 relics questlines. The drop rates aren't any worse, they just didnt put the items in chests this time. Lest we forget how painful it was to get rex for some. And honestly its no worse than Anemos now, it just has the stink of Pagos still attached, so ppl will remain salty about it even if they can get in and out in a few days if they really wanna push it.

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

[Fawkes]

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

[MicahZerrshia]

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

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perhaps, and im not defending the content cause it is still bad. But they did make drops rates, exp and light incredibly easy to get now. It's no worse than Anemos at this point, it is just tainted by how bad it used to be.

But you add up the minutes and you are likely spending more time grinding out the same trial, dodging the same 5 mechanics and doing the same dps race than you would be collecting all the items in pagos at this point with no complaints. Which to me makes zero sense. And fighting the same boss 99 times, not including fail and learning pts is not any more fun than fighting the same trash mobs and less varied than fighting 12+ different nms. Then we must include the fact that many of us run the exact same dungeons day in and day out. That's not any different either, we just have become accustomed to it.

I guess its all perspective. Cause its the same thing either way with just a different coat of paint. The only difference is Pagos we can complete and put behind us super fast now. Ex trials, dungeons, these are all part of other content and roulettes so they are just never escapable. tbh this whole game is a mindless, neverending grind when you look at it

[Rhindas]

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

I agree with this.

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Because in 99 (completed) fights, the mount is yours no matter your luck. If it took you all 99 wins to get that mount because your luck didn't let it drop and/or let you win the lot, that mount is *guaranteed* to be yours after 99 wins. No. Matter. What. Not to mention you likely have a full arsenal of weaponry out of it too. Guaranteed, tangible winnings? Easy choice.

Then there's Pagos. Sure, you're not guaranteed to get those 99 wins easily in the Extremes, but I can tell you I've killed well more than 99 enemies and spent well more than the amount of time in my course of grinding to get one weapon than I did getting a mount...and I never got it. I quit. I realized I spent too much time gambling when I could've spent it gearing up another job, or even playing another game (which is a discussion in and of itself).

Anemos was tedious and a lot of times just standing around doing nothing, but it is not comparable to what Pagos is. Pagos is "better" now, with the adjustments, but that was a low bar. There is simply too much randomness, too much gambling. It's less now, but, for me anyway, the damage is done.

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And I'm using "you" as "in general" here, people tend to get uppity about that.

[Deceptus]

idk I got 9 crystals in under 3 hours today, and another 7 after lunch in about 2, so the first 2 steps of the relic done in about 5 hours, in another 5 I should have it complete. So, I don't think the light gain in by any means minor...
Also got 4 lvls in 2 hours on my alt just afking at icepoint and joining pts for the nms on the southern half of the map, so lvling is crazy fast too now too.

It's still not well designed, but its leaps and bounds better now than it was before. If ppl want relics at least the grind is next to nothing now so if Pyros is decent it wont be any worse than the fate steps in the last 2 relics questlines. The drop rates aren't any worse, they just didnt put the items in chests this time. Lest we forget how painful it was to get rex for some. And honestly its no worse than Anemos now, it just has the stink of Pagos still attached, so ppl will remain salty about it even if they can get in and out in a few days if they really wanna push it.

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Good luck getting your 5 Louhi Ice in 5 hours.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Because trials require my brain to actually be turned on. I would happily grind NMs for hours. They have some pretty cool mechanics. Sure, the mechanics do eventually become second nature in any given fight, but I can take a break if I feel burnt out, then enjoy them once again. Farming endless trash mobs offers none of that variance. Each one scarcely differentiate's itself, has virtually no mechanics beyond autos and demands little more than you to have a pulse. It just isn't fun gameplay. And this is coming from someone who spends hundreds of hours progging Savage and Ultimate. So it isn't as though I dislike grinding the same thing over and over again. I just need to feel some degree of engagement or I'm less inclined to bother. Pagos lacks said engagement.

[Altera]

Yeah I could manage to enjoy Anemos and I have always finished getting at least 1 relic weapon, but with Pagos, I just quit and couldn't even get to lvl 30 even as I couldn't start doing Pagos until 2 weeks later due to vacation and by then everyone had gone to max lvl and getting groups who took in a lower lvl player was almost impossible

They either should kill off Eureka, or make some serious changes to making the grind at least a tiny bit fun and not a boring chore :/

[SigmaOZ]

Pagos is just mindless grinding and I hate it, I will never get the weapons (one per job) in there if they don't make it as easy as they are to obtain in Anemos...


It's just a pointless waste of time when I can have fun doing something else!...

[Edax]

Being that I'm still only level 22 in Eureka, I do hope there's someway to bypass Pagos when the new content arrives, or I'll never see it.