Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Fawkes]

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

[MicahZerrshia]

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

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perhaps, and im not defending the content cause it is still bad. But they did make drops rates, exp and light incredibly easy to get now. It's no worse than Anemos at this point, it is just tainted by how bad it used to be.

But you add up the minutes and you are likely spending more time grinding out the same trial, dodging the same 5 mechanics and doing the same dps race than you would be collecting all the items in pagos at this point with no complaints. Which to me makes zero sense. And fighting the same boss 99 times, not including fail and learning pts is not any more fun than fighting the same trash mobs and less varied than fighting 12+ different nms. Then we must include the fact that many of us run the exact same dungeons day in and day out. That's not any different either, we just have become accustomed to it.

I guess its all perspective. Cause its the same thing either way with just a different coat of paint. The only difference is Pagos we can complete and put behind us super fast now. Ex trials, dungeons, these are all part of other content and roulettes so they are just never escapable. tbh this whole game is a mindless, neverending grind when you look at it

[Rhindas]

Well I think it will take most people more than 99 times to get things like the emote or hakutaku eyes with how bad the drop rates are. At least with the trials you know the suffering will end at some point.

I agree with this.

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Because in 99 (completed) fights, the mount is yours no matter your luck. If it took you all 99 wins to get that mount because your luck didn't let it drop and/or let you win the lot, that mount is *guaranteed* to be yours after 99 wins. No. Matter. What. Not to mention you likely have a full arsenal of weaponry out of it too. Guaranteed, tangible winnings? Easy choice.

Then there's Pagos. Sure, you're not guaranteed to get those 99 wins easily in the Extremes, but I can tell you I've killed well more than 99 enemies and spent well more than the amount of time in my course of grinding to get one weapon than I did getting a mount...and I never got it. I quit. I realized I spent too much time gambling when I could've spent it gearing up another job, or even playing another game (which is a discussion in and of itself).

Anemos was tedious and a lot of times just standing around doing nothing, but it is not comparable to what Pagos is. Pagos is "better" now, with the adjustments, but that was a low bar. There is simply too much randomness, too much gambling. It's less now, but, for me anyway, the damage is done.

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And I'm using "you" as "in general" here, people tend to get uppity about that.